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Mar-a-Lago Judge: Jury Sees Top Secret Files or Trump Wins
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There are also rules for evidence, which are generally the most important rulings in a criminal trial. Allowing the documents to be left out but also used as evidence is an obvious appeal that likely wins, secret evidence isn't allowed.
How the fuck do you prosecute this case then? Read all the jury in just to see the evidence and then back out again?
The jury needs to know if they’re classified. Why do they need to see the contents?
This is what I'm asking. What do the contents of the documents have to do with the case at hand? How do the contents of these classified documents absolve him of the charges for making false statements and obstruction of justice?
And if the jury really needs to know the contents of the files, I don’t see any issue with just swearing in a jury of already cleared TS SCI w/Poly Commissioned Officers, or just full send it and let Trump get prosecuted in a military court. I’d love to see a bunch of GWOT brass ream that dudes asshole.
The government doesn't get to just claim things. If they want beyond all reasonable doubt that files were actually dangerous they have to show the files. They could try just going the expert testimony route, but that is a lot harder to prove. Another option would be getting Trump to agree the documents were classified, but that's a dumb move to agree.
Lol, the documents are either marked classified or not - he's not being prosecuted for having "dangerous" (whatever that means) files, he's being prosecuted for possessing and improperly handling classified files and trying to hide evidence of this and refusing to turn them over when asked to do so.
The core of the alleged crime deals with documents that are classified, not the contents of the classified documents, it does not matter why the documents were classified, only that they are classified. Whether the documents should be classified or where to mundane to be classified in the first place is not something for the jury to consider and not what the prosecution is about; any suggestions to the contrary are smoke and mirrors meant to muddy public discourse.
All the jury needs to be able to verify about the documents possessed by Trump is whether they were marked classified or not, which is a matter of record and is generally denoted by the documents being marked as such.
The judge is being absolutely unreasonable here and the only benefit of the doubt she can be granted is that maybe she just doesn't understand the law (which would be pretty much just as bad).
This AP timeline of the events leading up to the indictment is a neutral recounting of the facts surrounding the case that should help provide a better understanding, assuming you're posting in good faith.
I'm pretty sure nothing in the law states that only "dangerous" classified stuff counts. The government absolutely has final say in what is classified.
Yeah it could be the Navy's secret ice cream recipe and it wouldnt change the consequences.
Everything you just said was wrong
He already did, on tape
“See as president I could have declassified it,” Trump says. “Now I can’t, you know, but this is still a secret.”
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/26/politics/trump-classified-documents-audio/index.html
He didn't choose most of these documents because of their contents, just because they're classified to satisfy his power trip, so all the jury needs to know is that they're genuine government documents which are classified which he didn't have the right to take.
If this case had involved what he did with information in it then sure, but it ISN'T
Secret evidence is literally allowed all the time when dealing with secrets if the document in question is specs of nuclear weapons you redact all the strategically important info and allow them to see the header and subject matter without all the details.