264
Hit by worker shortage, German city gets students to drive trams
(www.channelnewsasia.com)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 24 Mar 2024
264 points (97.5% liked)
World News
38972 readers
2937 users here now
A community for discussing events around the World
Rules:
-
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
-
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
-
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
-
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
-
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
-
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
-
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
-
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
Lemmy World Partners
News !news@lemmy.world
Politics !politics@lemmy.world
World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world
Recommendations
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
- Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
I didn't see pay listed in the article.
How else do we explain worker shortage? Where did all the people go? Rapture?
On the other side, what better way for a social worker to see real issues and people while studying?
It has to pay well enough for students to be willing to distract from studying.
If the situation in Germany is anything like the Netherlands, it legit is just a shortage of workers outright.
There are more job vacancies than people to fill those vacancies, so you end up with a shortage of workers.
Making tram driving more attractive by paying them more would draw employees away from other industries, who also need people to do the work.
Not saying tram drivers shouldn't be paid more, but if the situation in this German city is anything like what we are dealing with here in the NL, then paying people more is not going to solve the issue. Only solution is to either decrease the number of open positions (which usually only happens in a recession, which is not great), or to increase the number of people who can do the work (for example through immigration)
Edit: A possible solution specifically in the case of trams could be automation (self-driving trams), which would relax the overall demand for workers.
There are already transportation system without drivers that have been operating since the 80s (e.g. the London DLR)
It's probably a bit more tricky in mixed traffic, but since trams are on predictable rails it would be easier than automating cars.
That's how free markets work, though. If there is a labour shortage, places which are important should pay more, to attract people away from other places, who either also raise wages or make do with fewer people or shutter.
This is just inflationary pressure hitting employers, like all of us. Except when it's a person, you just have to tighten the belt, or make do with higher prices, but when it's a company, it's a societal problem where simply paying more cannot be the solution.
I agree with you. The only issue I have is that some "important" things have much less extra money to dedicate to raising wages than less important things. The amount of profit isn't always in line with the importance of a thing I guess. But if it's that important then I guess government subsidies would be able to fix that gap
I don't think it's a subsidy if the government was paying bills in the first place. It's just raising wages in the public sector, which is by the way the prime driver of raising wages in the private sector as well.
I was responding to your description of how free markets work
You mean because it's public transit and might need more subsidy to raise wages and thus probably becomes political?
German companies can go through the beurocracy of hiring and training people from abroad and they will get visas when this actually occurs. But there is nothing wrong with hiring part timers who also study at a university. The job is unattractive because of shift work. Expanding recruitment to people seeking part time jobs makes sense.
For what it's worth 2 out of 3 subway lines are already fully automated. They started in 2008.
Trams have the same issues as self driving cars though: you need to 100% reliably detect people in front of the carriage. And you can easily find tests with Teslas which just run over a child sized doll because they didn't detect it properly. The tech is just not there yet.
I agree with you entirely that automated trams are more difficult than automated metro systems. However I do think that trams are a most likely a more easily solvable problem than automated cars.
Because of this you can model the environment in more detail.
This would not remove the need for drivers outright, but could reduce the number of drivers you need per tram.
That is not to say automated trams are easy, or already viable. I'm just saying that they are likely more viable than automated cars will be in the nearby future.
People are really apprehensive of that still. I agree, but we're going to need more people becoming accepting.
I'm not arguing with the job shortage. I just can't get my head around the migration.
There were always people filling lower paying job (I'm not advocating for less than deserving compensation). Now there isn't?
Maybe the same jobs exist, but new higher paying jobs have appeared that weren't around before (new technology, more corporate,.etc), so people just skilled up, moved up, and left the lower jobs vacant?
I think most developed countries where this happens just replace these less desirable jobs with immigration (not advocating for an idea of a lesser population)?
Maybe there's not as much immigration in some of these places?
How is one seeing issues when they are concentrating on the road? Just the view of them is enough?
Ha, you're probably right. I guess you aren't supposed to talk to the driver, but I imagined they would see and hear from a lot of the city's community members, might know people's lives more?
Maybe not, like you said, just keep your eyes and the road and don't interact wouldn't offer much perspective.
Edit, maybe more empathy when people take issue with road conditions and traffic! 😋