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The same one exporting Belt Fed Machine Guns. Half of the stuff covered in the article can't be bought in the United States so I'd really REALLY like to know where in the hell its coming from.
That's certainly possible but I'd bet that the regular ol' Arms Dealers, think Lord of War, are the ones behind it.
To be fair 9mm Pistols and AR pattern rifles could absolutely be sourced in the US and shipped to Haiti so I'm perfectly willing to believe that part of it, but this other stuff? No way.
I love the accidental admission that you only want to know where it's coming from because it can't be bought in America, implying you wouldn't like to know otherwise.
Accross the continent, a huge number of guns recovered in crimes can be traced back to a gun store in America. It's an incredibly low risk way to source firearms, especially compared to things like "robbing the military".
But just because a domestic abuser with a room temperature IQ can't buy one at his local Walmart doesn't mean they're not American guns. The "profits first, people never" mentality of arms manufacturers and their pet politicians has resulted in billions of dollars of weapons in the hands of militant groups.
Of course if you genuinely wanted to know, there's multiple reports on exactly that topic. Be sure to tell us what you learn from them, so we know you're not just defending Americas gun laws by muddying the waters.
I think they "really wanted to know where they're coming from" because the explanation from the article didn't seem plausible.
That's exactly it. The only fully automatic firearms available for purchase in the United States are going to be used, very expensive, closely tracked by the Federal Government, with very limited quantities available. The idea that these kinds of firearms are being sourced in the US is unbelievable.
Semi-Auto firearms I can believe, although its still wildly illegal, but not the full auto stuff. There's just no way.
Not fully automatic firearms. The very few for sale in the United States are old, expensive, Federally tracked, and not available in any real quantity.
Yes, because the explanation being given by the article doesn't match with the reality of firearms in the U.S.
For instance that firearm in the first picture of the original article simply isn't for sale at any shop in the United States. The only way you are buying it is with a special permit from the US Federal Government itself, the permit is only given to specific military and possibly some police organizations. The permit will only allow the purchase of a pre specified number of an exact model of firearm, and that purchase will be tracked (by serial number) from the time of manufacture through the sale process and delivery to the permitted organization.
Once all that's done the permitted organization cannot legally sell them, let alone export them, without a whole 'nother pile of paperwork that requires Federal approval.
I read the article you posted at the beginning of March. In fact I've probably read the majority of the articles, and the studies underpinning them, on this subject for at least twenty years. I even read the U.N. Report linked in the original article. Did you?
The truth is that simple semi-auto weapons like AR pattern rifles and Glocks can be bought here, sure, but a dozen different Federal Laws are being broken in order to get them to the gangs in Haiti. I'm sure it's happening anyway and I'm not arguing about that.
What I'm saying is that is that the claims of full auto weapons coming from the US are extraordinary and need far more proof than just an AP News article.
I guess it's the magic gun fairy then, manifesting American-made guns out of thin air and leaving them under the pillows of gang members the world over.