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There's Nothing Green About Socialism - HumanProgress
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You can’t “add socialism to capitalism” If the workers don’t own the means of production then it’s not socialist
You can inject state socialism in various aspects. The welfare state is a form of state socialism. It's in terrible form right now, but yeah it's still socialistic. Firefighters, police, and the military are all forms of social services, with the keyword being social, as in socialism.
I agree with you that I'd rather socialism than capitalism, but to say you can't "add socialism" is simply untrue. It's better than nothing, but not what we should strive for as a goal. Plus socialism will never occur without a gradient with the only caveat being an apocalyptic world war.
Having state apparatus does not make socialism. Those are not the means of production so they are not related. Lenin discussed this
Lenin doesn't own socialism. And I didn't say it would be socialism. You can have socialistic concepts. Those things are still in and of themselves socialism but don't exist in a socialistic system in wide scale.
No one is saying socialistic capitalism is socialism. So don't argue that point. When that's your conclusion, it means you argued against the wrong thing. If you enjoy strawman and scarecrows, have at it I guess..just don't expect anyone to want to have any worthwhile discussion with you until you actually respond to what people are saying and not something else.
Because those practices are not socialistic. If it is not related to socialism, it’s not socialistic
It literally is related to socialism. Ffs, I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall. You're offering nothing of value to counter with other than "no." I can't tell if you're even serious or just trolling now. What is wrong with your ability to communicate?
Those are literally socialistic services. They'd be enacted the same way in socialism. You understand one little bit of socialism and you're grasping on it with white-knuckles hands and closing your eyes chanting "I can't hear anything else."
It's tiring. I'm done trying to discuss with you. You're as aggravating as a cavity and as amusing as the appointment to fill the aforementioned cavity. There's nothing of value in talking to you.
No, the issue is that you haven’t read Lenin. He explained this very clearly on why these are apparatus of the capitalist state designed to support the capitalists in class antagonism. Socialism is about the workers owning the means of production in a transitionary state where the state slowly withers away.