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[-] Senal@programming.dev 4 points 7 months ago

Nope. I’d declare said statement propandistic shite unless they can prove they are privy to what God does or does not allow.

Most communication is propaganda to some degree, you'll need to be more specific in the particular viewpoint you have here if you want a useful response.

Prove that god exists and i'll immediately get on to finding out what they do or do not allow.

Just so we're clear, faith isn't proof, in fact its definition is almost universally "belief, in the absence of proof"

Lots of people believing also doesn't equal more factually correct, it just means more people believe.

What do you think churches, mosques and temples are? “Non-physical”? Howzabout the Inquisition? Or Saudi Arabia’s “religious police?” Or the vast riches the Catholic Church has stolen over the centuries? I’d say no - they are pretty darn “physical.”

Correct, you have accurately described physical objects, not a single one of which i have denied the existence of.

If you could point out which one of those is the physical manifestation of a being that "would or would not allow" something then we can get on to the conversation part.

Just in case there's any confusion, i'm all aboard the " organised religion is mostly bullshit people doing horrific things on a large scale over even longer time frames" train.

Note the "organised", it's important.

Also the "religions are just socially acceptable cults" train.

It might seem like I'm on two trains but in reality it's a venn diagram in the shape of a train and it's basically a complete overlap.

See the above.

The above wasn't addressing any of the points so I'm not sure how it relates to this one either, but feel free to let me know.

I’m not exactly sure what you are trying to say here. I don’t see how ascribing magical powers to religious people changes the fundamental idiocy of the quote you used.

I genuinely think you are misunderstanding what was being said here, intentionally or otherwise.

Just in case it's unintentional, I'll try again, but with more describing.

The vs statement was used as an illustration of the difference between the description of a tangible manifestation of a being vs the description of actions of a groups of people with "belief" in a being.

One of those things is a "being"/manifestation performing an action, the other is a group performing actions due to a shared belief or "construct".

Also the first "quote i used" was from the original post, the second was a comparative example, neither of which i was stating as fact, purely as a demonstrative example.

[-] masquenox@lemmy.world -4 points 7 months ago

Prove that god exists

Nope. The onus is not on me to prove that God exists as I'm not the one using God to substantiate claims.

I hope this is not difficult to understand.

not a single one of which i have denied the existence of.

No, you claimed that religion is, as social constructs go, somehow less real than all the other social constructs that are equally observable around us - do you need me to remind you?

Here.

Just to pre-empt, yes, money and borders are also social constructs but they also have physical manifestations, national identities are similar but not quite the same and all, including classification systems, have agency/effects through people’s shared belief in them.

Atheists are always the first to purport themselves as (pardon the pun) God's gift to "rational thinking"... yet their (supposed) "rational thinking" falls apart rather quickly under investigation.

mostly bullshit people doing horrific things on a large scale over even longer time frames"

Not big on history, are you?

description of a tangible manifestation of a being

You really are obsessed with God's existence (or lack thereoff), aren't you? I guess I had a hard time following because it's not something I care about in any way whatsoever. It seems that this differentiates me from atheists, doesn't it?

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

So, in summary, you just want to argue with people about things.

[-] Senal@programming.dev 1 points 7 months ago

They could just be deeply confused about how a conversation generally works?

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Pretty sure they just need to argue to feel good about themselves

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