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Not a single piece of american lend-lease arrived until after the battle of Moscow. The war had already turned. That's not to say it wasn't useful, more germans would have escaped encirclements and pace would have been slower as a result, it would have taken 12-18 months longer. But every academic historian agrees that the germans had lost the war as of the battle of moscow. Trying to present this as the war having been won by the american aid is absurd and there are no academic historians that agree with it, at best you'll get them to hedge and say they don't know the impact.
Einstein, barely worth refuting. Your brain must be MASSIVE mate.
You're linking to a book written in 1937. That predates the molotov-ribbentrop pact by 2 years lmao. It has zero relevance here other than being "stalin bad grrr stalin was mean to trotsky!" which is true but completely irrelevant to the nazis. I will say that the idea that stalin had anything to do with the failure of the german revolution is absurd. The german revolution failed the day Rosa was murdered and if there is any event in history I would change with a time machine it would be her death. It occurred at an utterly pivotal moment that guaranteed the following rise of fascism.
If lend-lease didn't contribute to Soviet success against Germany, then by the same reasoning Western military aid didn't contribute to Ukrainian success against Russia. After all, nearly all of it arrived after the Battle of Kyiv.
I didn't say it did not contribute. I said that it was fundamentally too late for american lend-lease to change the outcome of the war, it had already been won. The nazis had one chance to win and once they were repelled they were never going to catch up with the speed of Soviet manufacturing.
Some British lend-lease had arrived shortly before that battle. So they do not lose some credit, only the american lend-lease loses credit.
When ukraine actually breaks through russia's defensive lines we can start talking about its effect on their success against russia. As you rightfully point out all of their gains at the start of this war occurred before any aid, and the lines of been more or less stagnant ever since. Their counter offensives this spring (became a summer offensive) have yet to break a single line, let alone all 3 lines. I think we should be expecting at least antoher 18 months of this assuming negotiations continue to be refused and that it is even undecided as of this point in time.