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Are most of you using Torrents or Usenet?
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What is fast for you? On usenet it maxes out my internet speeds. Can't get any faster than that. And I pay like 5 bucks a month for usenet. Fully automated, max speeds. It's worth it.
I just paid $70 for a 3-year PIA subscription to mask my torrent usage from my ISP. So, an average of a little over $2 per month. Well-seeded movies only take about 10 minutes to download, more obscure stuff admittedly takes longer. Also, torrent streaming exists, so you can start watching even faster if that's your thing.
Admittedly, I'm not familiar with Usenet or how it works. I'm just saying that torrents are cheap, fast, and easy. Do you have a crash course on how to use Usenet? I'm curious.
You can find tutorials out there but the jist is.
Once you get that far, then you can move on to the best part, How easy it is to plug in sonarr and radarr. then everything just auto-downloads for you and you dont have to do anything.
To me, if you are using a VPN to torrent, great, I have one too for obscure stuff. But most people are far better off using Usenet. It is way safer and faster, and is easier to automate.
So who's hosting all of this movies? Who are you actually downloading from?
My point was every single thing i download maxes out, the 57MB wasnt the point. Not every torrent will max out. Only the well seeded torrents, and on public trackers it will not max out. I've tried. Private torrents sure, but unless you have a seedbox, you're ratios are going to be all out of whack. I do both Usenet and torrents, I'm well aware of all the advantages of torrents, and im well aware it can be automated. Usenet is just easier. No symlinking to maintain ratios.
And of course its more secure. 1st off, no VPN disconnects. Second off, point me to one single case where someone has been prosecuted for downloading off Usenet. Most of us here are probably from r/piracy, and see every day the dozens of "I got the letter" posts from torrenting. I've never seen a single letter from usenet.
Torrents are really great for obscure stuff that is really hard to get though. That's pretty much all I use it for.
I'm a member of one private tracker; it's private enough that I don't need a VPN while downloading/seeding and I have had no issue maintaining ratios.
For public trackers, no ratios required. For VPN disconnects, you just need a torrent client that properly isolates to a single network connection, which effectively operates as a kill switch. There are also VPN clients with kill switches, but I tend to not use those because doing it in the torrent client is easier and more reliable.
Re: prosecution, I'm pretty sure nobody has been prosecuted for simple downloading in a decade. The feds only go after major torrent tracker owners, the ones doing the distributing. The dreaded letters are just that: letters. They're a scare tactic from your ISP, they don't actually prosecute or even kick you off your plan; they just make you watch a little video on how piracy bad.
Again, Usenet is only "secure" if you can fully trust the owner of the server you're connecting to. It would be trivial for a government agency to set up a honeypot or take over an existing server and turn it into one. The reason they don't seem to care is probably because fewer people are on Usenet; they're going for the bigger fish.
And the reason they don't care is because it's so much harder to get people on it. Hence, it's safer.
Sure, most of this is true, but only for some people. The letters still come, and people absolutely do pay damages for torrenting, especially in Germany. Meanwhile none of this is true for Usenet, there simply is no misconfiguration you can make that will result in a letter. Sure it could but at this point it's never happened. With torrenting it can and does happen all the time. No letters, no scare tactics, no ratios to maintain (I get that you dont have to but most struggle). No secret club you have to get into. No variable speeds.
I totally agree that torrenting is awesome and it used to be the way i did everything as well. But after getting on usenet I was completely shocked and I'm never going back.
Fair enough, maybe I'll check it out. That's the kind of explanation I was looking for, by the way, thanks.
Torrents can also max out your speed if there are enough seeds, unless you live in a country where your ISPs are allowed to throttle specific types of traffic or something. Or I suppose if you have 10 gbit downlink then you prolly won't max it off a torrent.
Idk what you mean by fully automated. If you mean sonarr, radarr and the like, they work for torrents too.
I might very well try usenet when I get fiber in my current location (haven't had it in over a year, it sucks, don't recommend) and a server for the arr suite, but in general I like my piracy being free lol
All I know is I don't ever have to care about well seeded torrents, or maintaining ratios on private trackers, or getting letters from VPN disconnects. The 5 bucks a month is worth it just for that.
With a proper setup, which is not hard to do, you shouldn't be getting any IP leaks or copyright letters. Just be sure your VPN has it's firewall up and clients are set to only use the network adapter.
And yet, people still do. I don't, I use a docker container for torrenting. With usenet there is no misconfiguration you can make to get nabbed. It's safer.
Fair enough, none of that has ever been a thing for me.
Okay, extremely obscure things have dead torrents, but I'd wager you won't find many of those ultra obscure downloads on Usenet either. I dunno about any letters either, I suppose my country is a bit too small for anyone to care, because I've been torrenting for nearly 20 years with no issues - and so have many of my friends.
The ratios I'll agree with you on. It's a damn competition on private trackers, really annoying because everyone else wants to seed too. I just use public trackers.
Ratio on private trackers isn’t really a big deal as long as you’re the kind of person that can keep a couple hundred GB worth of things seeding close to 24/7. Aside from actual ratio(the thing your torrent client reports), they tend to have a system that rewards having things seeding, whether anyone actually connects to you or not, that you can use to boost “ratio”. There’s also usually some options for acquiring some content without it counting against you, like freeleech(download data isn’t counted in your ratio) for low seeded or new torrents, or discounted/refunded credit for extended seed times, or seeding large amounts of data. Aside from the first few months in a new tracker, ratio isn’t a big issue.
My experience (and I'll admit that I've only used a private tracker since rarbg went down) is that you can only get some seeding done within the first few hours of a new torrent going up, after that there's just so much competition and so few people downloading, you might get a gigabyte of upload a week on a 50 GB freeleech torrent. It might just be specific to TL.
I do have a ratio nearing 10, but my upload buffer is still small enough that I don't want to download anything non-freeleech lol
Not OP but well seeded torrents max out my server's ethernet at 80 MB/s (bytes not bits)