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Only in the same way that saying he will end a hostage negotiation means he hates hostages. The context of how he will do it matters. Shooting the hostage does technically end the negotiation, and that's the equivalent to what he is suggesting. He would just have Ukraine surrender or at least cede territory which would only appease Russia for so long. We know this from history. Without due consequence, this is just rewarding Russia for their bad behavior. But trump is incapable of understanding behavioral consequences because he's never not been rewarded for being a selfish asshole.
The only hostage in this situation is Ukrainian population, that is slowly getting butchered. So in your analogy, he is the only one negotiating the release of hostages, while everybody else is busy killing them.
Lots if not most of people would prefer to be alive on ceded territory than dead on whatever territory. You are suggesting to kill millions of innocent people without giving them a meaningful choice.
Do you think millions of people who will get to live due to his actions are going to call him selfish? I wouldn't. If what you mean instead is that his actions wouldn't benefit USA in its geopolitical game with Russia by the cost of lives of other people - you can just say that.
There was a highly upvoted post here on lemmy with "saving lives is hot" as the title, what happened to that? Or does it work only when it is about Americans, and Ukrainians can be massacred?
Ukraine wants to fight for their nation. You think that if they wanted to surrender, they wouldn't have done so by now? Stop pretending that trump is giving them a choice rather than taking away their choice to defend their nation. Yes, the US and Europe can benefit from helping this proxy conflict, but if a fire were burning up your next door neighbor's house, would you deny that helping them to put out that fire helps keep your house safe too? Withholding aid is what is getting Ukrainians killed, and trump should know all about that since it's what got him impeached. The first time, specifically. And now he's a salty, petulant child who wants Ukraine wiped off the map because of that, plus he will do anything to please Putin, and Putin wants to steal that land back to force a strongman legacy.
Don't be obtuse. This isn't complicated. The former president has the temperament of a 6 year old by his own admission. He wants to sucker punch Volodymyr after the 3:30 bell because trump got caught copying off his worksheet. It's like connect the dots but you only need to draw two very obvious lines.
People want to live. Politicians want to play geopolitcs.
Who are they? Nobody gives a choice to Ukrainians, and those who dare to say something against the government are sent to die.
Whose choice to defend their nation? The politicians? People are being kidnapped from the streets, and against their will sent to the army. Do you call this a choice?
Exactly, I would be helping them to put out the fire (end the conflict), instead of pouring gasoline on it (supporting the government that refuses to negotiate, and murders hundreds of thousands of people).
No, supporting and encouraging a government which refuses to negotiate and sends people to their deaths is what getting them killed.