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well, as someone who's met a good handful of politicians and lots of criminals? the criminals are usually better people, never, so far, worse ones. yes I'm including meth head Nazis, in and out if congress, in this.
I'm not really sure what this conversation is. I just thought saying you would rather an Yakuza protagonist was just an obvious better choice since the way they are written. I wasn't trying to start a conversation about "criminals" in real life.
I think what you're assessing to be an obvious better choice isn't. What would the Yakuza protagonist' view on capital punishment be? That they're written to have a heart of gold doesn't define their morals outside the scope of being Yakuza. To prefer that is to accept that their morals are more likely to transcend the power structure they exist in vs politicians. Fictional or not, I think it's interesting someone would consider this to be the case. It's not as though the games romanticise Yakuza as moralistic. The pretense for pretty much all the drama in the series is violent disagreement with other Yakuza, behaviour I'd doubt is what the commenter is generally looking for in a political leader.
They responded after the comments were talking about the real mafia. So when someone says hell I rather the Yakuza game series protagonist after real people it does seems way more obvious. If the comment existed in a bubble and was only directly comparing them to the candidates then yah you would be correct.
I mean Kiryu spends most of the games NOT being one. He is brought back In like a retired cop every game. Does he commit crimes? He defends himself quite a bit, in doing so he causes property damage. What big crimes does he commit in the series? I’m trying to think. I mean he uses knifes and guns but people all end the same way regardless if you used a bicycle or hand gun. If anything the game don’t romanticize it barely says anything about the real Yakuza at all.
That's fair enough, I'm literally just playing through the games now and felt compelled to comment. Kiryu's fundamental value system is presented to us at face value right from his first interaction with Majima in the opening of the first game. He's prepared and unconflicted about fighting Majima, just not for no reason like Majima wants. Kiryu has to have "a reason" to engage in actions typical of Yakuza, though the specific parameters of his reasoning aren't quantified. It's just whatever makes innate sense to him in the moment, which I'm interpreting as a rejection of conventional moral barriers to action. He'll do whatever it takes to achieve the end he seeks, and the only difference between him and other Yakuza (or indeed Yakuza in real life) in this respect is that the ends he's seeking are noble/just. i.e. "chaotic good", with Majima the protagonist being his "chaotic neutral" counterpart. TBH I can't really speak for Tak or Ichi because I haven't finished those games, but the gist I got of what the commenter is saying is that they think although the base case for most people would be to prefer lawful-aligned governance, the outcomes secured by being chaos-aligned would justify their chaos.