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I’m not sure if Robin Hood fits. He’s not stealing. Either way, fuck predatory landlords.
Given the abstract nature of a lot of the economy these days (which unsurprisingly benefits those with wealth) it's debatable if it fits to be honest. I would lean more towards yes. They would argue that by exposing bad conditions, helping people lower the cost, causing a rental to go empty, or whatever else means they aren't getting the money they feel entitled to.
The same kind of arguments are often used when corporations argue that piracy is stealing. All that has happened is an unauthorised copy of a movie/etc had been created. Yet that is called stealing and they try and fine people sometimes thousands more than what a legal copy would cost.
Illegally appropriating access is close enough.
He's encouraging squatting, which is stealing. He's an awful person.
Found the landlord.
If there is an empty house,and they aren’t doing damage, no harm no foul.
Well, it’s trespassing, but I’d argue it should be a crime to own a house and leave it empty. They should have it rented at least.
It is a crime, a crime against humanity. It’s just not a crime recognized in most legal systems.
Having more than you need of anything, while other people have so little they are on the street, go hungry, or die should be a crime that is punished.
Forcing bad landlords to fix their properties, go for it.
Squatting yeah no. Get the f out
What's the harm in squatting, as long as they aren't damaging the property, and the property is well and truly vacant?
If by definition of truly vacant you mean
No one is knocking on the door saying hey get out, and there is reasonably no one going to come knocking on the door... Then yeah fine it's empty. Then I don't care. But if anyone who has the title is saying get out then yeah get out.
If there is someone who has the title says get out, and the squatter doesn't leave, it's basically theft of property.
How is it theft of property? Theft usually involves taking something material away from someone. If the property owner has left their property vacant, having a squatter there doesn't change anything. They've gone from making no money on their vacant property to... still not making money on their property.
And don't say "the squatter is preventing the property owner from making future profit off of the property", because now you're not talking about theft. Profits that don't exist yet can't be stolen.
If I have a piece of property and somebody moves in there, squats, they are basically preventing me from using that piece of property as I choose. Yes I could go in there anyways but let’s be honest how would I actually use it in the way that I want if they are in there? How would I lay out financial documents on the kitchen table to do my bookkeeping? Knowing that someone else is in there could easily take pictures of it? That makes no sense. They’ve effectively taken the property from me and prevented me from using it as I choose. That is effectively theft. No they didn’t pick up a pen from you and take it away. No they didn’t take a phone and take it away. But they have effectively taken my property.
If they insist on living there for six months, how am I going to be there for six months? Realistically. Think about it. So yeah it is that you may not agree with the term of that. But that to me is just irrelevant. In the eyes of the law it’s leaning more and more towards unlawful usage of the property. Which is why the laws are being wrote to remove squatter rights.
If a squatter is squatting somewhere you want to live, sure, yeah, you can't live there. Just like you can't live there if someone else is already renting it.
The way you're describing it, it seems like to you there's no functional difference between someone paying to live in a property you want, vs. squatting in a property you want. You're looking through your own personal lense only, and consider things that inconvenience you as "evil". It's a prime example of the "fuck you I got mine" mentality.
No if they are paying the person who holds the title to be in there, then there is no squatting. That is legal usage. The title holder gave permission for the user to be there for a given period of time. Big difference between renting and squatting
But the inconvenience to you is the same, and that seems to be the thing you have a problem with.
You're taking issue with squatting, even though the effect on you is exactly the same as someone legally renting - ie, you can't occupy that property. So what's the big deal? How does a squatter steal from you, and a renter doesn't? If the only difference is some legal definitions, maybe the two aren't that different after all.
If you haven't figured it out by now I'd say that's by choice not because you don't understand.
One is someone living there with permission (renter) one is there without permission(Squatting). Squatting is theft. Have a nice day. I'm out.
Thanks, you have a good one too
How is this stealing? At most it's prohibiting passive income on capital investment.
Stealing is taking someone's property without permission. That's what squatting is. By encouraging squatting, this person is encouraging stealing and that makes them an awful person.
Holy shit, they took the whole house? That's impressive!
Honestly if I ever own a house and someone steals it without me noticing... They can keep it.
Squatting is not "taking property" especially if the property in question is vacant. The property is still there and will stay there when the squatters leave.
It's very much stealing property. The same way a crime is committed when someone is raped. The victim still has their body afterwards, but a crime has been committed.
That's the weirdest comparison I've seen yet. Yes rape is rape and rape is a crime but rape is not stealing. I really don't see the point you are trying to make.
Rape is stealing as well. You're taking something from someone they didn't freely give you.
My point is that stealing is bad and shouldn't be encouraged.
No what the fuck. Rape is literally not taking something from someone. Rape is taking control over someone abusing some kind of power be it physical or nonphysical and forcing them into sexual activities.
Both are bad, rape is considerably worse, and I think I'm done arguing with your bs
It's not BS. Rape is bad, stealing is bad.
Just gonna play devils advocate and say they both involve entering without permission...
I know this is supposed to be a joke but I'm in a pedantic mood: That's not strictly correct. Theft is possible when you enter with consent and rape is possible without entering at all.
Theft is a crime but not all crimes are theft. If I punch you in the face that isn't theft. The only way someone could consider rape to be theft is if they considered women to be property.
The problem here is that you seem to value your own property rights over the right of individuals to have shelter. Sure, it's not an ideal situation; in an ideal society "squatting" shouldn't occur, but we live in a society where people are forced to choose between being homeless or squatting in someone's property. If you think they should forgo their right to shelter to preserve your right to property then you are the awful person.
No name calling on this sub. You are blocked.
Holy shit my guy. "Someone vaguely disagreed with me and used the same verbiage I used on someone else, time to block them". Touch grass, please, for your sake as much as ours.
Ah, but you see, it's not hypocritical because rules are just weapons to use against your opponents, and we're suckers for not using it against them first. /s
It's better to block people than engage in back and forth that won't go anywhere.
"I'm not here to engage in discussion, I'm just here to make people listen to me and I only want to hear people who agree with me."
Okay then.
Removed, civility.
It was phrased as a conditional, they weren't DIRECTLY saying the other person was awful, they were saying "people who do x are awful." It leaves it open to the idea that the original commenter does not do x and is therefore not awful.
In YOUR case, yeah, calling someone awful breaks the civility rule.
Does the rule only apply if they're name-calling other commenters and not the subject of the article? If not then mke_geek's original comment should be removed since he directly calls the subject of the article an awful person with no conditional.
Personally I think this rule is being a bit over-enforced and none of these comments should have been removed. Being overly strict with civility rules allows bad actors to take advantage of "civility politics" to shut down dissent.
Edit: except maybe the one calling them a dickhead, I get why that one was removed. The ones that just reflect their own words back at them I think should be left alone.
Clearly stated in rule 5:
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect!
Name calling. Blocked.
You're an awful person. Stealing is what capitalists use land ownership for.
No name calling on this sub. You are blocked.
There's entire countries that are on land that wasn't originally theirs. Stealing isn't sufficient for evil on it's own.
I think you dropped your /s