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There's no way you call yourself "super left" or "radical left" and identify with the term "liberal".. Liberalism is the polar opposite of "radical left"
Jesus. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Is there a news letter or website that gives out the proper terms and most widely accepted labels, 2024 edition? I've been around long enough to see all these labels cycle through the mainstream lexicon. They mean something new every few years.
But of course that's what you wanna single out, the fact that I use different labels than you, therefore I couldn't possibly be anything like you right? It's like you people WANT division, tribalism and segregation. You actively seek out things to get upset and in a fight about, which is exactly what they want.
Look mate, if you just said "I'm a democrat so I'm a liberal" I would've understood that. I'm not that nitpicky about it. But a self identifying "RADICAL LEFTIST" would absolutely never identify himself with the term "liberal". Hell, radical leftists (and including the far left) use that term as an insult. Which of course raises some questions when you use it for yourself while also being "far left". It makes it seem like you're roleplaying the "radical leftist" role. Just my two cents, you do you.
Also, no, "liberal" hasn't changed definitions, ever. It was always the same thing: an adherent to liberalism. If you're far left you're a commie or an anarchist or whatever. Communism/Anarchism has nothing to do with Liberalism. They're on different parts of the political spectrum. If you're from the US I'll make this easy for you: both democrats and republicans count as liberals. They're both adherent parties to liberalism.
That's like claiming you're a far right socialist lol
I've likely been around long before you, I've survived transform, I've been through war, I've survived anti Communist death squads, I've seen the jungles full of civilians fleeing capitalist bombs. don't think you can educate me on the world.
Then go take a political science class.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
There is absolutely nothing to discuss here. This is not "the world". This is political science. And it isn't up for any weird debate. It's a term written in countless research papers and field texts, and is not up for change due to whatever definition you guys happen to read in the news today.
From your link: "In Europe and North America, the establishment of social liberalism (often called simply liberalism in the United States) became a key component in expanding the welfare state."
Idk, that seems compatible with most of the left-of-center spectrum, and certainly not something you would find a libertarian or conservative supporting. I can see how it's not compatible with auth-left positions, though.
Perhaps you're referring to neoliberalism, which, in my understanding, dropped all the social welfare stuff in favor of corporate welfare. In that case, I can understand how that term could be used as an insult.
In my eyes liberalism != neoliberalism. I consider myself liberal, and I despise neoliberal policies.
Whatever kid. Not everyone is a native English speaker, and not everyone is signed up to your own minds definition on things. You're literally arguing about labels, that's how I know you're a child.
You can go on as many ad hominem attacks as you like, that's not going to make your points more correct. I'm not a kid and I'm definitely not a native English speaker.