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Any punishment with no possibility of back pedaling should never be given. The chances of permanently harming a potentially innocent person are far too great.
I'm usually on that side of the discussion, too, but this case doesn't leave much room for the guy to be innocent. Beyond the "pleading guilty" part, which is sometimes done strategically, he's the biological father of the kid a 14yo got. There is no shot at this being a mistake at this point.
I still agree though; if this should exist, it must require even stricter than the usual "beyond reasonable doubt" conditions or something.
He got her pregnant... His DNA. Not possible to be innocent. He plead guilty. He shouldn't hit a prison cell, he should go directly to the chair.
Most likely this particular guy will never live to see it done. So the particulars of this case are moot.
I changed my mind about execution some 25 years ago, and while there there have been many people executed since then that I won't defend or feel bad about dying, I still don't think it's right for the state to execute prisoners.
Same thing here. What this guy did was horrible. I wouldn't even disagree that he deserves castration. But I still feel it's not right to actually do it to anyone. It's a dichotomy I'm confronting right now. There is what the guy deserves and then there's a separate consideration of what justice I think is appropriate to mete out. And I thought those were one in the same, but it turns out they aren't.
Yeah he did, don't get me wrong this guy should go to jail. But imagine for a second he (or anyone else for that matter) was not actually guilty, and got convicted on a technicality or a judiciary error.
You would mutilate or kill someone and then absolve them of the crime if ever found out they were innocent, oh no you can't, because what happened is utterly irreversible. I mean, it's not like it ever happened before right?
Ok, but by that argument, jail is irreversible too. All the damage it does to work and social evironment.
You can get out of jail, you cannot grow your balls back or be not dead. Jail damages society because of the way it's implemented, that's a political choice, but that's another argument.
Yeah, I agree with that too. There's a reason they call it "con college". Nobody wants to hire an ex-con, so a lot of people commit further crimes. And when you are in jail or prison, it's pretty hard to take care of everyday stuff like your house, car, finances, etc., so who knows what state they'll be in, or even if they'll still be there.
There is no imagine "he" was innocent. There becomes a point where evidence is overwhelming and WITHOUT a doubt. I can tell you right now, IF this guy raped you/your wife/your child, you wouldn't feel sorry for him. Would you be ok with a PROVEN rapist living next door to you? If you rape someone, you know what you're doing is wrong, you did it anyways. This says "I can't control myself", that individual is not ever going to fit in to society. I can't fathom how anyone can say they can. It's not like you got mad and got into a fist fight with someone and accidentally killed someone. This dude was RAPING A 14 year old. She will suffer the rest of her life for this.
The castration part everyone is getting upset over isn't even real. He gets it a week before he's released.... At well over 100 years old. He's not going to care since he'll be dead and on the miraculous chance he's not, he won't know or care.
The exercise of law shouldn't involve emotion, there is a reason why mob justice shouldn't be a thing.
Of course I would be upset and want the guy dead, mutilated or whatever if it involved someone close to me.
But that's the thing, dude's a monster, he should go to jail, and get psychiatric help and be rehabilitated to the best of his capability. If he's never safe enough to be a free man ever again that's fine, but in no way he should be killed or mutilated by the state.
But the point isn't about him specifically, if he gets such a sentence, it sets a precedent that a sentence like this is acceptable for a given crime. And that's unacceptable on many levels, a state should never have the power to kill or mutilate a person, for any reason, ever.
But it is the state deciding to sentence someone to it. We’re mad at that. We’re angry they feel comfortable doing so
We aren't talking about him specifically. We are talking about every single person who is charged with this crime ever, at least one of which will be innocent.