Just putting this up to contrast with this post and because Eli Valley is a great political cartoonist.
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huh weird it's almost as if Biden is president and there is genocide and fascism happening right now, so weird
Its weird its almost as if your statements are unburdened by reality
oh so there isn't a genocide? the United States doesn't have one of the most proportionally incarcerated populations in the world? our police didn't drive a tank to a college campus?
So here is a Trump quote about from a few days ago about Israels war on Hamas:
So he actually wants Israel to speed up it's military operation and win.
As you can see, the US foreign policy position on Israel has absolutly nothing to do with with party or president. In fact, Trump is arguably more pro-Israel. He was also the one that moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, which was a big diplomatic "fuck you" for Palestinians.
Both of these have been true for decades and have nothing to do with Biden, just stupid whataboutism.
huh weird almost as if we keep voting in centrist Democrats
Yes. But I'm not sure why that is so weird. A progressive candiate would just lose so what's the point?
Show the Democrats that they don't earn the left vote automatically, they have to earn it.
By doing what? Punching yourself in the face by not voting or voting for Trump? I'm not sure that'll show them ... or do anything good.
hm weird it's almost as if there are other options that you're pretending people haven't been advocating for for months
This phrasing really doesn't sound that clever after using 3 times.
Not quite sure what these other options are supposed to be, though I'm just an outsider looking in, so please enlighten me.
it's almost as if I am not trying to win clever points lmao
hey! you can take your disingenuous ass out of this conversation though because if you can't think of an option other than voting Biden, trump, or not at all, then you're either lying or you're so uneducated that you wouldn't be able to understand the conversation anyway
A lot words for not answering the question.
I'm just wondering how long you'll go on pretending you don't know what I'm talking about lol
FTFY
As opposed to the loyal centrist vote that checks notes formed a fucking PAC to elect John McCain the last time the party didn't give them everything they wanted.
Um the Centrist Vote has already been historically fairweather lmao that's like the definition of them
The point is that they don't have to be convinced to show up at all, just that they have to be convinced to vote for you specifically.
Some folks in this discussion think that not even being that reliable is some sort of virtue that sends a positive message about their attractiveness as a campaignable demographic.
Where are you getting this information that centrists have higher voter turnout than leftists?
Centrists/swing-voters are definitely not reliable voters for Dems and I don't know that it's true that they have high voter turnout overall, yet they are still the focus of Dem campaigns.
Dems think they don't have to appeal to leftist voters because they think of them as a reliable base. The unreliability of centrists is what makes them a target for campaigning.
Dems don't try appealing to the left because the left is anything but a fucking base. If the left spent half the energy on primary turnout alone that they do on bitching and moaning on the internet Bernie would have won both primaries handily and the generals by landslide margins.
Bernie did extremely well in the primaries, definitely got votes beyond just the hardcore left population. Idk it just seems like the things you're saying aren't rooted in facts.
He did but he lost because both times the youth vote failed to turn out at a rate equal to their share of the population. Nevermind the easy overrepresenting share they could take in the party primary process given the fact that boomers break right much more than Millenials and Zoomers.
It wasn't DNC meddling that defeated Bernie Sanders, it was the entitlement of the white left to everyone else doing the revolution for them and then putting them in charge of it afterwards.
Now you're just conflating young people with leftists? And there are structural reasons young people don't vote as much, in the US people don't get time off for voting. That impacts young people of any political leaning. And white people vote at way higher rates than other races? Probably due to the structural barriers to voting?
Where are you getting these talking points for real
Millenials and Zoomers bend significantly to the left of previous cohorts
structural barriers does not excuse 27% turnout being considered an unusually good year. In fact it makes the case even further that these kids ought to be out in force to speak for the folks who are actually getting marginalized by systemic barriers to voting and that choosing not to is a letting down of others they need to be answering for.
Younger generations lean left, but not nearly enough to conflate them. Especially since there are plenty of older folks who are lefty as well. To make the point you're trying to make, you would have to show that leftist voters vote less often than voters of other political leanings in the same demographic.
Younger people have less money than older generations, less seniority at work that lets them take time off. If you have to pick between making rent or voting, a lot of people are going to pick rent. Kind of fucked up for you to just dismiss structural barriers out of hand, it's people like you who perpetuate these problems you claim to care about. You want to solve a problem you look at the underlying system, blaming individuals, especially those who already have the least money, power, and political influence, rarely does any good.
Your arguments just feel like you want to be mad at youngsters. Like the same kind of stuff people stay about the protestors, calling them entitled rich kids. It's really gross and you don't have any evidence to back your claims, nor do you present any solutions. And you'd probably be mad if the leftist kids came out and didn't vote for the person you wanted.
How about instead of just trying to blame the youth, you get mad at the wealthy people who have convinced you to turn against your own people just because they are younger than you? Get mad at the centrist Dems who vote for any Democrat placed in front of them, no matter how reprehensible their politics? Where are you getting these anti-youth leftist talking points I seriously want to know.
See my history for details. It isnt fascism.