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Is This A Game?
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this post was submitted on 05 May 2024
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Does Trump realize that if he "wins" that particular argument, that would empower Biden to have Trump killed without consequence? Or the supreme court justices he rammed into the court? Or his voters?
Oh wait... republicans are utterly incapable of forseeing potential consequences of what they want nm.
As of today, Trump has been held in contempt of court 10 times, with the judge explicitly stating "The last thing I want to do is put you in jail".
This is a guy who has been so utterly swaddled from consequences that I genuinely do not believe he feels threatened by the prospect of extra-judicial assassination by a political rival. Liberals are Woke and Soy. They don't have the cajones to pull the trigger. And I've seen little to suggest he's wrong in this belief. The police are far more willing to crack the heads of Columbia liberal arts students than MAGA Chuds. And the courts have been incredibly lenient towards J6ers, particularly those with the money and influence to plead favorable terms in court.
Meanwhile, Epic MAGA Dudes run rampant through JSOC, the FBI, and the Secret Service. If anything, this is a threat against Biden. Combined with the claim that he's the legitimate president and was robbed of his second term, this line of reasoning is intended to carve a legal path for a coup from friends in the military and police.
Part of the reason that courts are so lenient with him is to avoid that, once he is judged, that there is any space for anyone to claim a mistrial or that he was mis treated. It's unfortunate z but that's the way the justice system works, and trump abuses that to the max.
That is why the judge explicitly says "I don't want to jail you" just so that it's said that he can, but won't. Yet. Now that trump has been ordered to pay, it's only a few thousand dollars, but again, that's the law. Judges can't just change that on their own whims.
So next up, if Trump blabs again, which he will, he will go to jail. I read something about the secret service already trying to figure out how to protect trump in jail, because that's their responsibility, wherever the idiot is, so let's just say that the next step may blvery we'll be quite funny.
Having said that: I am happy they are taking their time and are being very careful, last thing you want is an exonorated trump because of some procedural error or because trump indeed was not tried fairly.
And why are these bureaucrats obsessed with a perception of fairness for Donald Trump when they were so cavalier with the treatment of a guy like Steven Donziger or Aaron Swartz or Brandon Mayfield or Leonard Peltier?
The argument advanced by liberals is that Donald Trump presents an extraordinary threat to democracy and civil liberties in the US if elected. So... surely he's got himself booked on a one-way trip to Guantanamo Bay, right? Or, at the very least, he'll be receiving the same treatment as Chelsea Manning or Reality Winner, right?
I will put up $1000 to your $100 that Trump will not spend a single full day in jail if he is once again dinged for being in contempt of court.
They're running out the clock until election day, so they can throw out the case.
I will arbitrate this bet at a paltry 5% fee, please submit your bets via interac money transfer to banekillgrind@gmail.com
Points for the hustler mindset.
Because they only care about the radicals who can actually hurt them by seizing power from within their system. Unfortunately that’s basically all fascism is actually good at.
Because those other people don't have the MAGA cult behind them. We dot every I and cross every T with Trump, give him the beenfit of every doubt and be as transparent as possible so to avoid the appearance of it being a political attack via the courts as much as possible. To limit the protests (which will of course likely fall into the "fiery but mostly peaceful" category in terms of damage done and lives lost, but will definitely be reported on in a less forgiving way except on FOX, OAN and RT).
Of course they are - the best and likely only good defense Trump has is getting elected.
And it still hasn't worked. No more than the Ken Star "Independent Investigation" washed Republicans' hands clean of the Clinton Impeachment.
So then why is the court facilitating his defense in this matter?
The point isn't to wash their hands of it, but to limit the scope of the inevitable protests. If the case is fucking airtight, and Trump has been fully allowed to engage in every possible defensive argument he and his lawyers can think of, and a jury that definitely isn't just a bunch of Democrats who already hate Trump unanimously agree that the evidence proves he did it and all of this is thoroughly transparent and public then the resulting pool protests will draw from will just be the really fervent members of his cult. The more it has the appearances of just being a political attack, the larger the scale of the protests will be, and the bigger the protests are the more destructive and larger scale any violence from them is likely to be.
Because they want to make sure that their judgements stick. Trump has a lot of political power, and enough money to get a legal team that can find every single undotted i and uncrossed t, and use that to appeal anything. (Or, he would, if he would actually pay his attorneys, instead of stiffing them on legal bills. So what he actually has is incompetent hacks.) So a smart judge makes sure that they're not doing anything that could be a reversible error.
These repeated failures by the judge to enforce the rules within the court will not fortify the result of the decision on appeal.
The thing is, if they hit Trump with a contempt of court order, and then jail him, that can be used to claim that the judge was biased against him, unless that kind of punishment is typical for violating gag orders repeatedly. So you want to avoid that, since that makes it easier to claim that the judges instructions and handling of the case was also biased.
That is why they are trying to push the decision until after the election. If Trump wins, the president has full immunity to do whatever he wants. If Biden wins they'll likely say the president can be held accountable for their actions as president.
This is correct. Constitutional Originalism somehow means that what the Constitution has always said depends on who is elected in 2024.
Repubs are incapable of seeing consequences, but in this particular case they know that Biden won't do it and they are correct.
Nah, they get that. They also get that most Democrats aren't outright evil or of the "god made me do it" type, as they are.
Do you really think Joe Biden would order Trump killed
Lol...Dems would meet the bullet halfway... And anyone who wasn't willing to make that compromise would be a radical progressive
I dream of a murder-suicide at a debate.
Suicide vest.
Joe's last wotds: "For all of you that said Biden blows, ain't seen nothing yet."
KABOOM
No but it does force republicans to contort themselves into a pretzel to defend that decision given their rhetoric about democrats.
More likely theyll just point to it as a reason to never cede power because they're unrepentant ghouls.
I don't know why you are characterizing this as a republican blunder. It makes perfect sense.
The Republicans know the Democrats' obsession with civility means a dem would never invoke this prospective right to assassinate a political rival.
"But the Republicans are being illogical! This is a double standard! There is no intellectual honesty in such an argument!"
Stop trying to appeal to logic and honesty when it comes to Republicans. This liberal thinking is what got Trump elected the first time.
Accept that morals, ethics, and logic mean nothing to fascists before it is too late.
I swear, the patriot front could be doing door-to-door curb stomps once trump gets elected, and liberals would still be smugly pointing out that "violence is no way to solve political issues, chud. Check and mate ;)", right before they get curb stomped.
But when you tell "leftists" to get armed and get trained they call you an NRA shill. I guess all the armed MAGAts foaming at the mouth to get rid of trans kids and drag queens isn't much to worry about when mommy's basement is so warm and cozy.
Get fucking armed, leftists. Read the poem, socialists were first against the wall in Germany.
Has anyone suggested contracting it to Boeing?