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[-] cuchilloc@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

We’ve always been… a government subsidizing most of our livelihoods, constantly borrowing more money and producing deficit every day/month/year could not be sustained indefinitely. Could there be a better path to a sustainable economy? For sure. But we are paying what was long due, the unpaid humongous check of “the good guys”.

[-] federalreverse@feddit.de 34 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Capitalist economies are not sustainable. That's kind of their point: Line goes up, even though resources are finite (which economists conveniently ignore). Hence, they can't be sustained ad infinitum. We're all borrowing/stealing from somewhere, including from nature. (And the harder we believe in capitalism, the faster humanity will crash because resources are getting used up.)

Ultimately, money is a means to an end anyway: Making sure society functions well enough that everyone has food and shelter. Other than that, it's just imaginary figures.

[-] cuchilloc@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Hmm I want to see your point . Trying really hard, but: have you lived in an absolutely corrupt society like Argentina? Then, have you thought about “line goes up” is not only material resources, but any idea, tech product, or sustainable product, can make it also go up ? Also… amount of people… on top of that… our precious “socialist” govt was not pushing for anything sustainable… only filling their pockets while claiming to be helping people, making people less educated on purpose, so they cannot survive without a “present state”. I’m not religious but I like holding cliches as axioms, and one I really like is: teach a man how to fish… If I extrapolate your train of thought to the maximum, basically we should all commit suicide as to not deplete earths resources. So, what is exactly your point if you do not mind rephrasing it? What is good vs bad in your terms? I love sustainability, small communal govts where corruption can be refereed and prevented , not a humongous federal beast where “one rule fits all” ensures life will never be in the best interest of the people. But please, put yourself in the shoes of reality. It’s not capitalism vs something else . If it were for me, I’d live in anarchy, but that also presents some other troubles. We all want what we believe it’s best for humanity as a whole, we just focus or see different solutions or advantages first . Or some pro vs con weigh differently on different people. I do not stand by any politician, I find that good can be done outside of state , and taxes to be a form of accepted feudalism . I do not believe capitalism to be inherently evil and doomed to fail; I believe all systems can be used for the good, if we leave greed aside, and I also do not think that capitalism==greed. It’s like saying guns kill people, when people kill people. It’s a cultural and mindset shift that needs to happen, not necessarily the system is forcing it on anyone . We can disagree and be fine. But I’d like to try and understand your point.

[-] racsol@programming.dev 3 points 4 months ago

Me importan bien poco las críticas de la izquierda del primer mundo.

No sé si las cosas mejoren con Milei, pero como venezolano, deseo para los Argentinos el país que merecen.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Venezuela fue siempre pobre, solo mejoro durante el gobierno de Chaves por que el petróleo estava a 100 dólares el barril, pero antes y después de eso no había tanta diferencia. Por lo menos esa fue siempre la visión que tuve desde Colombia. Y Colombia tampoco es que sea mejor, y siempre tuvo gobiernos de derecha y ultra derecha y es pobre y corrupto. Entonces decir derecha bien izquierda mal no tiene mucho sentido viéndolo así no más.

[-] racsol@programming.dev 1 points 4 months ago

En Venezuela siempre ha habido muchísima pobreza, que es bien distinto a decir que siempre ha sido pobre.

Venezuela ha tenido momentos de bonanza económica en los que gente todas las clases económicas ha podido prosperar. Momentos en los que ha habido cierta clase media.

Efectivamente, los altos precios del petróleo no solo permitieron a la élite chavista enriquecerse, sino también poner en marcha varios programas sociales (obviamente, demandando lealtad al proceso) y comprar lealtades en el exterior regalando petróleo. Después de la caida de los precios del petróleo y la destrucción de PDVSA, ya esto no fue posible.

Pero si lo que quieres decir es que con o sin régimen chavista Venezuela sería pobre igualmente, creo que te equivocas. La miseria ha empujado a millones de Venezolanos al exterior como no había precedentes en su historia. Y fuera de la situación económica, la represión política también es una realidad.

Venezuela estaría mejor sin el régimen. Lo de que sea de izquierdas es casi accesorio.

Los ejes de izquiera y derecha son una simplificación. Hay muchas más dimensiones en las situar un movimiento político. Hay que ir a lo concreto.

[-] cuchilloc@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Gracias broder, solo los que vieron la corrupción y el sufrimiento de primera mano podemos hablar con honestidad, el resto son opinólogos; izquierda caviar.

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