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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States
I think there needs to be an understanding on the difference between "de facto" and "de jure". Just because something isn't a law doesn't mean it's not followed.
Just because we consider ourselves a secular nation, just because the founding fathers considered us a secular nation, just because freedom of religion is written into the constitution, doesn't make it so.
Christian fundamentalists have time and time again proved victorious over the separation of church and state. They have quietly, or more often quite explicitly, made sure their religion exerts power over us in our every day life.
It's not like this hasn't gone unnoticed though. There are plenty of supreme Court cases where they have sided against the Church citing the separation of church and state, but as we have seen recently with the supreme Court, there is no hard backstop to keep them from reversing past decisions to side with a Christian interpretation of the constitution.
Ultimately, they have made us a de facto Christian nation, and we need to stop it.
Previously the majority, now the minority- may want us to be a Christian nation but when it comes to the law and courts, we are not a Christian nation. Go tell a judge that a god or devil made you do something and see them laugh in your face.
It can be spun however you want to try but this is a secular nation and the people within it have rights from the Christian Talban (who aren’t even pious). We are a nation of laws. Your argument is dead in court. Even at a Burger King the boss would laugh at you. You’re drinking the FlavorAid
Edit: comment keeps changing so I’m done
What do you call a tax on alcohol and cigarettes?
When can you buy alcohol in the state of Utah? Or even the great alcoholic city of Chicago (hint: not before 11am on the Lord's day)
What phrase is printed on our money of who we trust?
Yes, a judge will call you out if you explicitly cite the Bible, so instead just cite a law that is based off of a biblical viewpoint of the world.
Again, these are not de jure laws. It is de facto. It's the worst kept secret of our country. Convincing us otherwise is a brilliant play by y'All Qaeda.
That's why I insist on saying it all the time: we are founded as a secular nation, and we need to start acting like it. Don't let one of them claim otherwise.
The non-xtians are some of the least represented in this country and yet, it's something like 1/3 of the country. It's crazy.
Totally agree. The idea, and what we should be, is a secular nation. My take is that the christo-fascist takeover isn't coming- it's here. We are no longer on defense, we have to take back the country from these numbnuts.
A private business will follow whatever social norms it wants. Just as 24 hour liquor stores are busy at that time because Cash. Is. King.
The phrase on money was adopted fairly recently.
If you want to finish your alcohol quickly while fishing invite a Mormon. If you want to drink slow, invite two Mormons.
https://www.ksl.com/article/50517477/7-reasons-utah-residents-could-be-the-nations-biggest-suckers-for-fraud
https://stats.health.utah.gov/latest-news/databyte-opioid-prescriptions-and-er-overdose-trends-2017-2021/
When critical thinking is abandoned, America is doomed. Even the Saudis can’t maintain the fighter jets we sell them
You are attempting to push the narrative this is a Christian nation. It is not. Our secularism and diversity is what makes us different from the rest. Science deniers don’t understand, create or maintain advanced technology.
Yes, many of our population may identify as religious but they are not pious like the Jewish or Muslim population.
Even “Christian” is an umbrella tern to inflate their numbers because the number of warring Christian Sects is so large.
Yes, YallQaeda, con men and the AM DJ may be pushing this false narrative but so are YOU.
Edit: I’m done with this debate, they keep editing their comments. Typical deceitful BS. It’s obvious they live in the rust belt and not modern America.
Fair enough but no need to resort to name calling. Leave that for reddit.
Weren't you just doing that a few days ago? Oh, the irony.
Grammarly changes versus fundamental changes to the entire comment are quite different. Are you really spending your time stalking little ol’ me? I feel so special
Don't flatter yourself. I just saw you were complaining about something you yourself were doing. So don't get mad.
Sure
Yes, all this is true, and that's why we need to keep insisting that this country is a secular one. And xtian privilege needs to be stripped away. Something like 1/3 of Americans are non-xtian and yet we still have to put up with xtianity and xtians being put on a pedestal.