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You know, I really wish you were clearer in your OP so I wasn't dragged in to a vegans discussion
Oh no you had to think about what happens to the animals you eat for a few seconds!
I didn't say I eat animals, chief.
Oh no you had to think about what happens to the animals ~~you~~ other people eat for a few seconds!
Eating animals isn't the problem, necessarily. It's how the animals are grown and raised like crops is the problem. I have a weird stance on this that looks very contradicting. Humans are animals, and we are engineered to include meat in our diets. However, I don't agree with how the majority of us access that meat.
I'm a strong believer in hunting for food, not sport. If you're going to eat an animal, you should work for it. And be thankful. Doesn't matter what beliefs you hold, you owe thanks to what the animal has provided you.
Meat farms are disgusting. But there's no way they will ever go away. They're much too profitable for companies to give up.
How do you humanely kill an animal who doesn't need or want to die?
How does thanking someone after you needlessly kill them help anything?
Why not just eat plants when we can easily thrive on a plant based diet?
We aren't "engineered" at all, we're omnivores which means we can do just fine both with and without meat.
You hunt it. Not as a sport. Give the animal a fair chance, and even then it's not a fair fight, so be thankful for what's been provided
Killing when we don't have to is cruel, doing it in the forest doesn't make it better, we can just eat plants.
There's nothing fair about needless killing, nothing is provided to you, you're taking it be force.
We are animals engineered to eat meat. It is natural for humans to do so. Killing an animal has nothing to do with morality. How it's done does
Humans aren't engineered at all.
We are animals who happened to mutate to be able to thrive with and without meat, we're omnivores.
If we are animals and killing animals has nothing to do with morality I can kill you with no consequences and without feeling bad yeah?
Like I said, why you do it and how it's done matters. What's your reason for killing me? For this discussion of course.
Let's say I thought your corpse would taste good and provide me with sustenance for a while and I killed you painfree and instantly.
Then that's not a good reason. "Because it's good" doesn't justify the kill. For survival? Sure, I'd give that a pass, even though I'd defend myself. I would understand the situation. And people have done this.
If you have this "no-kill" stance for animals, you need to have it for everything, including insects. I'm not saying you don't, because I don't really know, but I do know that's often overlooked or ignored.
A life is a life.
It's literally the same argument you're using.
You don't need to eat animals for survival.
I don't kill insects on purpose.
Yes a life is a life and shouldn't be wasted because you think corpses taste good.
@NotAPenguin @trashhalo @marx2k @reric88
On earth, death is as natural as eating other life forms. It’s how Mother Earth survives, not unlike how our bodies recycle dead cells and attack foreign ones.
So you'd be fine with me eating you?
Man, you're so weird
@NotAPenguin @trashhalo @marx2k @reric88
You can try:)
Plants too are living beings. Cutting them, letting them starve without their roots, dissecting it in various parts to be sold...
Why don't we think about it? Are we so extremely sure plants don't feel any type of pain, not even a much different pain that animals can't understand?
We have to survive on something, and at the very least we choose the least-sentient thing we can find to eat. Plants do have a nervous system, but they don't have a brain. Or a centralized brain, anyway.
We don't know if plants can feel pain, but we definitely know that plants respond to damage
Completely true. But it also shows how the need for anyone and anything to survive always comes from hurting something.
Nature is, de facto, unfair. A prey will struggle against a predator, much like when something else is a "predator" to something that most of the times cannot more or respond.
There is simply no way of not causing harm ever in all processes of producing food, especially without heavily reducing the quality of life of many humans.
Hell yes, we moved on to canabalism.
You are trolling at this point. You simply can't compare killing for food to murder.
We are predators by nature, and there is no way you can deny it. The human intelligence has helped us evolve better tools for both hunting and farming.
We have mutated to be better hunters and predators, apart from being also better at not being one. But the first part will always remain.