806
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 18 May 2024
806 points (99.0% liked)
News
23413 readers
1691 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/01/23/biden-primaries-unchallenged/
Yes, they effectively rigged the Presidential primary this cycle for Biden. It wasn't really a secret, was widely covered, and if you aren't aware of that, I don't think you're informed enough to even have this conversation.
I genuinely don't care if you believe me. It wasn't an appeal to authority to get you to change your mind. It was in response to your patronizing "I used to be like you" schtick.
I never said don't vote, not once. I haven't even appealed to others to follow my lead in not supporting Biden.
I have laid out some of my reasons for not supporting Biden, and that is what you find so offensive.
"The lesser of two evils" game will never end. That is the fire, that is how we got Trump in the first place. Continuing to breath life into the existing DNC isn't going to put it out, it's just going to fan the flames.
Wake up and smell smoke.
So how does one vote in the presidential election and not, in some way, support Biden?
My whole fucking point is that not voting for Biden brings us one step closer to a country I doubt either of us would prefer to live in. I am vocal in my opposition to the choice we're being given and in my criticism of a great many actions and inactions of the current administration but I'm still going to vote for Biden over Trump and over any third party candidate.
What, exactly, is your point? If not withholding your vote and yelling about it then how does one "not support" Biden?
I don't know about your locality, but I've never lived in a state where a Presidential general election ballot doesn't have a whole lot of other races and ballot initiatives on it...
I don't see how my not supporting Biden, or the establishment DNC candidates, somehow prevents me from voting for school bonds, local progressive grassroots candidates, or any other measures and races on the ballot this year.
So...good for you, vote your conscience, and I'll vote mine.
I see. So you are advocating to not vote for Biden. Your not explicitly telling people not to vote for Biden, your just telling them that doing so is actively making the country worse. Got it.
As opposed to you, and the others like you, who are demanding that anyone who voices dissent and discontent must still vote for Biden, and to do otherwise means we're actually a combination of Trump supporting tankies who run socket puppet accounts for Russia, who really want the country to continue sliding towards fascim.
So yeah, I understand your position just fine.
Lol
LOL. Fucking LOL.
One last reply and I'm done.
Yes, I doubt that you are some disgruntled DNC veteran. Yes, in this day and age I can't be certain that you aren't just part of some foreign or domestic social media effort to destroy morale and advocate for not voting. However, I only mentioned it offhand and have continued to treat you like an individual. You have not done the same.
I see you as misguided and angry. I see you as unaware of the consequences and ineffectiveness of the actions you advocate for. You never said anything to deny what a second Trump presidency would look like, besides the extremely simple assertion that he's too stupid and petty. You act like it will be fine.
You ignore the damage he's already done. Women all over the country are suffering, voting is being suppressed, minorities and LGBTQ+ folks are being denied their rights, environmental laws are getting gutted, and good federal agencies are being stripped of their power... because of the justices and judges that Trump appointed. You ignore all this and state you're going to refuse to vote for establishment candidates in the general election. Why? Because, like a child, you are angry that your preferred candidate didn't win the primary. So, to "send a message", you're willing to risk pushing our country another four years closer to a fascist theocracy...
Yeah, I'm going to hold my nose and vote with my conscience.
You're technically correct, but only because the DNC drinks from the same neoliberal Kool Aid. The apparatus is now mostly run from their bloated privatized consultant class (campaign consultants, media firms, polling outfits, etc.).
Of which, I'm sorry to say, I have spent time both employed by personally, as well as many years in close proximity to, outside of my own direct professional engagement.
I love how, on Lemmy, you think that it's more likely that I'm actually a deep cover foreign asset, then a citizen who's happened to have worked in the disgustingly large multi-billion dollar campaign industry.
But please, tell me more about how your intimate knowledge of our body politic is more nuanced and insightful then mine.
You call me angry and disgruntled, but your political philosophy is "I'll compromise on literally anything, as long as I'm told it's for the greater good".
Trump would be awful, but he's not the end of the line of awful candidates and I'd rather take my chances with a DNC that is responsive to it's base, and not it's donors. That can't happen unless they fear their base will pull support, which is why they've trained them to always compromise.
Isn't it funny though, that the compromise only works in one direction: to the right and for the benefit of the donor class.