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No, this has nothing to do with the US.
If I go to the US, I have to obey US law or go to jail. Similarly, if a US citizen goes to another country, they have to obey THEIR laws. If their laws say you go to jail when you break them, then what are you crying about?
This is the only objective point to illustrate. Laws aren't monolithic across countries. We wouldn't have countries if they were.
No one is saying they shouldnt have to follow the law because they are Americans. People are pointing out that this law is clearly unjust and ridiculous that someone would spend over a decade behind bars for making a dumb mistake. the law isn't just regardless of what country it is. This is one of the times I have zero problem with the us throwing it's weight around to protect it's citizens around the world: to save them from ridiculous punishments for making a mistake.
Don't crime, don't do time. Isn't that what conservatives love to tell everyone?
SOVEREIGN COUNTRIES DON'T GIVE A FUCK WHAT YOUR OPINION IS, they have laws, you obey them or fuck off.
Idiots chose to visit these countries, and chose not to clear their bags of sensitive items that are literally prohibited in those countries.
they fucked around and are finding out.
So do you say the same thing when some young black person goes to jail for a small amount of marijuana? I'm pretty liberal can see the injustice in both of these. I'm not sure why people have such a hard on for seeing these otherwise innocent people going to jail for a stupid mistake. It's like being a conservative and cheering on black kids going to jail for possessing pot.
Why do you want to see them in jail so badly? Have you asked yourself this?
two points here:
one: it's not the same as the black kid; these people are electing to travel out of the country. that kid is living in his environment. when you leave our nation for another, you accept the rules of that nation will apply to you. if you don't want that, DON'T SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO TRAVEL THERE.
A better question: if these travelers are such freedom loving gun enthusiasts, why don't they patronize countries that invite their tourism? HUH.
And two:
Want to travel? You don't get to bring your own rules.
Try taking a small amount of marijuana to singapore.
Do I agree with their laws? NO. Do I fuck around and attempt to find out? No. I have better things to do with my life than languish in a jail or be executed for pot.
Holy shit, you're actually trying to argue that it's unjust to be punished for intentionally breaking a law, but perfectly fine to be punished with 10 years in prison for making a mistake.
You're very blatantly playing the role of the racist conservative gleefully cheering on the imprisonment of a person from a group they don't like, regardless of the justness of the reason, and you have no idea.
Again, you keep trying to paint it as them intentionally breaking the law. There is no indication of this. It seems just dishonest at this point to continually frame it this way. They didn't "attempt to find out" they fucked up. Why is this so hard for you to admit?
lol put down the bong son... jfc, get over yourselves
You've made it clear the reason you have a hard on for these people being punished is that they gun owners and you don't like gun owners. I'm just holding the mirror up and you don't like what you see.
"Gun owner" is not an immutable attribute. Its not a skin colour. Comparing dislike of gun owners to racism is ridiculous.
One can only commit an injustice against a person if it's an immutable characteristic? That seems dumb in and of itself.
Ftr, possessing drugs is not a immutable attribute either.
But if that's your hang up, the logical next thought would be "what if I take race out of it" and it's just a conservative cheering on someone doing serious jail time for possession of a small amount of marijuana.
Then that's a different issue and should be handled according to what a person does/possesses and why on a case-by-case basis.
You avoided an important question in my post which undermined your whole point.
I stand by my point, their desire (and probably yours) is to make a gun owner suffer because you don't like them, justice and objectivity be damned. It's just like a racist conservative.
I can't take your argument seriously.
People are (rightfully) glad that reckless idiots travelling to other countries carrying literal explosive devices have been arrested, and your takeaway is there is... racism directed towards gun owners?
You're delusional.
You and I both know this is not what I saying, why the dishonesty?
You're drawing parallels to racism because some people aren't up in arms that these idiots with explosives have been arrested.
That's pretty damn close.
Holy shit, more dishonesty.
People are glad that these people have been arrested for carrying explosive devices and you're drawing parallels to racism because of it.
That's your argument, and it's absolutely ridiculous.
And it's very funny that you're calling me dishonest, when earlier in the thread I mentioned that nobody was being punished for actions of their state, and you claimed you never said that. I then pasted you saying exactly that and you went off talking about something tangentially related.
No, what's ridiculous is you lying by claiming I said they are racist, and then turning around and lying and saying that I'm on people for not being "up in arms" about it, when all I've been doing is pointing out the injustice of the prison terms. I'm not even up up in arms about it. I just think it's wrong. But, don't worry, I won't lose any sleep if these people do jail time.
You keep flailing around trying to make my argument ridiculous, but all it does is reveal that you're uninterested in actually thinking about this, but instead just making up reasons in order to claim I'm wrong.
Yeah, because I said people want them to be punished because of actions of their state, not that they were being punished for actions of their state. At first I thought this was probably just a case of poor reading comprehension, but in light of your current dishonesty, I'm not so sure anymore. And, besides, even if I was being dishonest, that doesn't preclude you from being dishonest.
You can write walls of text about how "that's not what I said" all you like, but it's clear to anyone reading what you've said that you tried to compare racism to people being glad about these morons being arrested.
You also tried to claim you didn't say "unjustifiable position of thinking individuals should be punished for the actions of their state", when you said exactly that in your previous message, when referring to people traveling with bullets they brought in their own luggage.
If anyone's being dishonest, it's you.
You already quoted it, anyone coming here can see that what you claim I said I didn't. Screen capping it was entirely unnecessary. but good effort.
oof, another swing and a miss. you're so damned close tho kid.... tell you what. I make a distinction. I actually have a ton of respect for many gun owners; unfortunately, too many are fucking idiots who don't keep their weapons and ammo accounted for.
And I despise those fucks. They're the idiots getting children killed, supplying criminals with weapons and pissing off our neighbor countries with petty bullshit like this.
What I'd like to see happen: responsible people keep their privileges - but what I'm certain is going to happen is that everyone is going to be punished because the fucking morons can't stop leaving their pewpews in their fucking unlocked cars.
https://jalopnik.com/youve-got-to-stop-keeping-your-gun-in-your-car-1850929717
so... you do you sport, will probably block you so I don't have to explain shit after this.
Yeah say that again keeping in mind that the US regularly has killed civilians in the past, sometimes by mistake, sometimes as expected collateral. Sounds a bit hollow, then.
Why do so many people think it's a good argument to say that because the us does some bad shit, otherwise innocent people should spend a decade in prison for making a mistake? It's makes zero sense.