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"Super nuanced political opinions" such as being against an active genocide lol.
So you think Trump would oppose the genocide?
taps the sign
Trump isn't in charge right now. There is a genocide happening right now. Trump has nothing to do with that. How can you not want to pressure the guy that has the power right now to do something?
No one said anything about not pressuring the guy, but right now isn't the time to be divisive. The US is literally on the brink of becoming a fascist theocracy, and Biden is the only one who can stop it.
It sucks that he's our only option, but that's life.
Shit on him all you want after the election, but right now isn't the time. The alternative is a guy who supports nuking Gaza.
What pressure are you putting on the guy? Guaranteeing him your vote is the opposite of pressure. It reads as endorsement or at least tacit approval of his policies. Assuming Biden actually cares to win the election, the best thing to do is threaten to withhold your vote. He still has five months to change voters minds. Let him see the polling, let his campaign see the mood on social media. Genocide is a red line, and it's a low fucking bar.
It's never the time, and all criticism is seen as divisive by people who can't abide critics.
I'm sorry about your reading comprehension.
So, when will it be the time, and what criticism is permitted without you considering it divisive?
After the election.
Yes, Biden supporting Israel sucks, but Israel isn't the biggest issue facing us right now. The existence of our country as we know it depends on the upcoming election.
You sure?
Yes, there's that pesky reading comprehension again. I never said Biden didn't deserve criticism for his decisions regarding the Israeli genocide. But, he's literally the only person who can stand in the way of the US becoming a fascist theocracy.
You're deliberately mislabeling skepticism as stupidity.
You're deliberately ignoring the parts of my comment where I have already answered your questions.
That doesn't answer the question.
What Trump would do is an irrelevant question right now. This isn't about the future, it is about the present.
This was the question. It's either yes or no.
Edit: I also find it hilarious that to you, his stance on Gaza is irrelevant when he is, in fact, running for president. Gotta love sticking your head in the sand so your own narrative makes sense.
And it is irrelevant either way. Do you think Trump has power to end this genocide right now? Yes or no?
Again, avoiding the question. I'll answer when you do. It's not that hard, but thanks for telling me all I need to know, champ.
Sorry if I am more concerned with the ongoing genocide supported by the current fascist in power, than with the potential continuation of the same genocide by the next fascist who may come to power.
You don't really need my answer, and I don't really need yours either.
Cool story.
Yep- sorry nobody cares what you think deep down inside, snowflake. Only matters how you vote. Biden or Trump- plus all the downballot stuff you don't care enough to think about. Pitch a hissy fit if you want but that's your reality.
Ok gee golly mister, you convinced me to support a war criminal! I'm sure he'll win now that you've secured my support :)
Of course you won't vote for Biden. Choosing the lesser evil in an evil world takes a lot of strength and you're obviously very weak.
Wait, I thought Biden was good, actually. Isn't he like our best president since FDR or something? Now you're telling me he's evil??
Yeah he's evil as Knievel, Jumps busses and shit. But you can't vote anyway so doesn't matter.
Can I make a suggestion?
Grow Up.
Grown ups know that sometimes genocide is cool and good, actually.
I think you illustrate my point.
Grown ups know that life is full of hard choices and that it's pretty damned rare that you get everything you want in any situation. We also tend to understand that there are many things that we cannot change or can only change a little, sometimes over a long period of time.
Choosing not to choose or "standing on principal" is often counter-productive.
Some principles ought to be inflexible. It's kind of the definition of a principle. I know what compromise is, and I know right from wrong. It's wrong to compromise on certain things. If growing up means forgetting that, then miss me with growing up.
The problem is they are not inflexible. You compromise ALL the time.
For example, you are perfectly willing to overlook all the other genocide in the world.
Think about it.
What genocide in the world can I do anything about? My country does most of them, and I never support them. I've been protesting my whole life. I am always against genocide. That is a principle. Not one you seem to share, but to each their own I guess.
So in other words, you choose to be flexible with your principles because there's so much in the world you can't do much about. All you can do is chip away. You've chosen this particular battle for reasons, but not others. Conveniently ignoring the consequences of that choice.
I rest my case.
In what way am I flexible in my principles? I've never voted for a genocidaire in any other country either.
The last time centrists didn't get literally everything they wanted, they formed a PAC to get McCain elected.
I'm not usually a "both sides" kinda guy, but you sound exactly like a MAGAt.
Yeah you saw 'snowflake' and got too triggered to consider the rest of the comment so now I'm MAGA. That's not atypical.
Blue maga. Red maga. Both are fanatics devoid of nuance.
lol- 'Red\Blue maga'. You're entertaining.