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@raccoona_nongrata
Actually. It is necessary. The process of creativity is much much more a synergy of past consumption than we think.
It took 100,000 years to get from cave drawings to Leonard Da Vinci.
Yes we always find ways to draw, but the pinnacle of art comes from a shared culture of centuries.
@raccoona_nongrata
A machine will not unilaterally develop an art form, and develop it for 100,000 years.
Yes I agree with this.
However, they are not developing an art form now.
Nor did Monet, Shakespeare, or Beethoven develop an art form. Or develop it for 100,000 years.
So machines cannot emulate that.
But they can create the end product based on past creations, much as Monet, Shakespeare, and Beethoven did.
@raccoona_nongrata
Actually this is how we are training some models now.
The models are separated, fed different versions of the source data, then we kick off a process of feeding them content that was created by the other models creating a loop. It has proven very effective. It is also the case that this generation of AI created content is the next generations training data, simply by existing. What you are saying is absolutely false. Generated content DOES have a lot of value as source data
@raccoona_nongrata
In fact, generating content purely for the purpose of training itself is one of the core techniques in training machine learning models.
No, humans create and develope styles in art from "mistakes" that AI would not continue pursuing. Because they personally like it or have a strange addiction to their own creative process. The current hand mistakes for example were perhaps one of the few interesting things AI has done...
Current AI models recreate what is most liked by the majority of people.
And what if the human running the AI likes one of these "mistakes" and tells the AI to run with it?
But that's still not how it works for an artist. I don't mean stumbling upon an accident and using it in your work but deliberately creating something that's not liked and perfect the way you do it. For someone who just instructs a tool and generates images in rapid speed they go a very different path.