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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago

Militarily speaking the US is still a force to be reckoned with

Sure. But so are France, Russia, India, and Pakistan. A lot of the US influence comes from its extensive base network. And yet... America can't keep the Suez open in the face of some Yemeni rebels with access to a Radio Shack. They've bowed out in Afghanistan and Iraq. They're roughly holding the line in Ukraine by sheer weight of expenditure. Logistically, all very impressive. But its playing ten different chess games at once. Only impressive if you're not losing them.

I’d say in the future the US is going to do a lot more riding on the EU’s soft power than they’re currently comfortable admitting.

I'm not even sure what the EU looks like in another thirty years. The UK is in steep decline, France is in full sell-out mode, Germany and Italy are making kissy-faces at their fascist wings. The Eastern European states never recovered from the break up of the USSR. Scandinavia is a gas station.

Europe's chips seem to be stacking up in the Middle East, under a handful of petty dictatorships and theocracies. But the real future power players are looking more and more like the member states of the South Pacific - India, China, Pakistan, Indonesia. Enormous populations, high tech industries, rapidly expanding navies, some of the last pristine wilderness anywhere on earth... These look like the countries which will be leading the world into back end of the 21st century.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

We could stop the Yemenis. But it would take far more manpower and material than anyone in the US is willing to commit right now. We could go to the fortress village concept; and just generally go full scale COIN. It would stop the attacks. It would also cost a trillion dollars over a couple years and probably turn into a transitional government and peacekeeping mission.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

We could stop the Yemenis

The same way we stopped the Iraqis, the Afghanis, and the Vietnamese, sure.

We could go to the fortress village concept; and just generally go full scale COIN.

Trying to teach another generation of 19 year olds broken Arabic before throwing them into a literal mine field?

We could try it. But I can't imagine it would boost enlistment rates

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Enlistment? Shit at the rate we're getting into fights we're going to need conscription anyways. Let's just get it over with. /s

The only reason we have shortages is because they cannibalized an entire generation. Turns out when you keep fighting you go right through the pool of eligible volunteers.

And hey I didn't say we'd leave a stable state behind. Just that we'd stop the attacks.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

And hey I didn’t say we’d leave a stable state behind. Just that we’d stop the attacks.

I mean, it helps to understand the political situation in Yemen up to this point. Its already functionally been in and out of civil war for the last decade. The Houthis currently lobbing bombs into the Gulf of Adan are the same insurgents that Saudi-backed Yemen officials have been fighting with since the Obama Era.

Then you've got the other side of the Gulf, where pirate communities across Somalia were already a perpetual nuisance for major shipping. They've been raising the insurance rates on this boats well before the Houthis started playing Battleship with merchant vessels. This isn't a new problem for the US Navy. Its simply a numbers game. Too many ships to protect and too many potential pirating crews to combat.

The cost-efficient solution appears to be to send everyone around the Horn of Africa again, rather than trying your luck in the Canal.

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