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edit I am an idiot, who uploaded the image link as the URL. The original source should now be accessible

RMIT engineers say they've tripled the energy density of cheap, rechargeable, recyclable proton flow batteries, which can now challenge commercially available lithium-ion batteries for capacity with a specific energy density of 245 Wh/kg.

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[-] BrightCandle@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago

Battery tech exists in a variety of stages. We have been using Li-ion for ages but there are two technologies coming out this year and next which are very much real (from CATL the worlds leader in battery sales) one of which you can buy today.

You can buy Sodium Ion batteries already, search for it on aliexpress and you'll see the cells are for sale and BYD is already selling cars with it in. Its similar power in weight and density as Li-ion but it doesn't catch on fire and its a lot more environmentally friendly. Its good a chance of being the main battery used for home/grid storage and cars and other big battery uses, it also lasts a lot of cycles something like 6000-8000 so it will work for decades and its cheap at $50/KWH (li-ion is more like $130).

The other type is a Li-ion advancement into solid state that is due next year and it doubles the power density. That is probably going to end up in laptops and phones and some high end cars with massive range or smaller/lighter batteries where the increased cost for power density is worth it. Not yet at commercial volumes it is well past the theoretical stage however and very much something that can be manufactured already.

All this battery tech in the lab might very well be in the mix in the future but we don't need them to pan out with Sodium Ion filling that space and quite cheaply due to the abundance of salt. I think for grid storage reflux batteries might see a resurgence for their versatility but it remains to be seen if they become price competitive. Li-ion as we use today is very soon to be replaced thankfully.

[-] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

it also lasts a lot of cycles something like 6000-8000 so it will work for decades

Not good enough for the next 10 years.

Energy density and charging speed must, and will, improve by much more.

[-] Oneser@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Most applications assume max 2 charge/discharge cycles per day, don't they?

And where space is not an issue, a cheaper option could be favourable? Im afraid I don't understand both your points

[-] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago

Im afraid I don't understand both your points

Of course you can't LOL, if cycles per day and cheap is all that you can think, because I simply haven't talked about these two topics.

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