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Trump told donors he will crush pro-Palestinian protests, deport demonstrators
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He's been very loud, but not nearly as loud as the articles about his time in the SDNY courtroom over hooker hush money payments.
The issue is that he's not President while Biden is. So hypothesizing what a future President Trump might do in the event Biden's approval rating sinks any lower becomes a more compelling Conservative Democrat talking point than what Biden is currently doing to cost him all that support.
The left isn't fractured on this issue. That's the root of Biden's problem. From the midwestern business-friendly liberals to the college Maoists, there's a uniform horror and disgust towards our Middle East foreign policy. The only split is whether you're willing to give Biden yet one more pass on our latest imperial atrocity or whether you've finally reached your limit.
when you boil everything down to black and white, the nuance is gone along with any wisdom you started out with. Shame that's all you got, can't even hold an intelligent discussion without you leaping for the hyperbole.
For instance, what country is doing more than the US to bring aid to Gaza?
Every single one that currently supports the UNRWA, countries that have criticized Israel and stopped diplomacy with them or cut off trade, South Africa launched the ICC case against them, ones that have tried to vote for sanctions against them in the UN or have supported a Palestinian state. So ya, tons of countries that aren't the US.
Meanwhile the US is the only reason Gaza is getting any real aid at this point given all the other bullshit by both Hamas and the Zionist trash.
But go ahead and look at the things you like and pretend everything else isn’t happening
You can't give the US credit for giving a little aid when they're giving way more bombs and weapons. I'm not going to give you credit for throwing a bandaid to someone after you're the one giving the shooter a gun and ammunition and stopped people from coming over to help when their shot. The US is causing more net harm in this whole situation. Also, those other countries ARE giving lots of aid. Look up the nationalities of the doctors and relief workers in there. They're from all over the world. The US isn't even donating to the UN relief org anymore because of trumped up accusations by Israel that haven't even been proven, unlike lot of other countries that have resumed payments. You just hear about the US because they're basically helping Israel hold the door shut, and every time they let it loose a little, aid can come in, which sounds like they did something good when it's more like they stopped doing something bad. Hell, they're supporting Israel while it blocks off aid through truck, which would be the one actual efficient way to deliver it (that little pier is doing barely anything and apparently even falling apart btw). One million people are being displaced right now. The President said they'd draw a red line in the sand before that happens, but operations have initiated in Rafah and nothing has happened.
So, if anyone is pretending that reality isn't happening, it's you. And tbh, I get it. It's tough to reconcile good old America, innocent Israel, and grandpa Joe Biden with all the pictures of the dead Palestinian children and the rubble of their cities, put together with the proof of American bombs that are being used. It's easier to not deal with it because our domestic problems are so big and no one here wants Trump to be President. But it's happening, and you've got to face the problem so we can push our leaders to fix it, because it's the US that are the ones causing it by shielding Israel from the rest of the world (except Germany), and we supposedly live in a democracy, where theoretically with enough popular support we should be able to pressure our politicians to change course on this disaster.
That is the nature of voting. You can either cast a ballot for a guy or not. There is no in-between state.
UNRWA was the primary supplier of aid into Gaza until Israel kicked them out. Then the World Central Kitchen was a primary supplier of food aid, until Israel bombed it. Aid was coming in from Palestinians in Jordan and Egypt, until Israel sealed off the borders at gunpoint.
Meanwhile, the US has been sending Israel more weapons used in these terrorist acts.
Might as well credit Germany with feeding and housing Polish Jews in 1942.
No it is not the nature of voting, it is not a binary thing at all. Again all you do is remove all nuance which destroys the discussion
You’re also proving my point, Israeli Zionists fucked aid and the US is the ONLY ONES doing ANYTHING to ensure aid gets there at our own cost. Meanwhile Egypt and neighboring countries simply put up barbed wire and close crossings.
ALL those aids you listed you admit are no longer happening, only the US is now making it happen, but that’s not convenient to your position is it?
Are you SERIOUSLY comparing the US to Nazi goddamn Germany right now? You are beyond a discussion based on reality. Won’t waste anymore time on you. Shame.
US is running cover for the Israeli Zionists, preventing UN-based aid from reaching Gaza, and doing clumsy ineffectual political stunts to disguise their complicity.
Because the US is sending weapons into Israel to bomb aid agencies.
Wouldn't even be the first time. From our re-installation of fascists in Japan and Germany during the post-war period to our Jakarta Method in Indonesia to the Contra terrorists we armed in El Salvador and Guatamala, this isn't even our first full-throated fascist rodeo.
American fascism runs deep, and we've had a hard on for butchering every brown person we can get in our sites since at least 9/11.