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‘A catastrophe’: Greenpeace blocks planting of ‘lifesaving’ Golden Rice
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Nuclear is over, because it's stupid, expensive and really dangerous for a LONG time
Modern nuclear plants are pretty safe in general, and they're not that expensive when you compare its energy output to other types of power plants' energy output. Not sure about the "stupid" remark though.
While nuclear energy can appear cost-effective compared to other energy sources, the true cost is often higher when considering indirect factors. Society typically bears these costs through taxes, insurance premiums, and health care costs rather than the price paid for nuclear-generated electricity.
These costs can be divided into several categories:
Environmental Costs: These include the long-term management of nuclear waste, the potential contamination from radioactive materials, and the decommissioning of nuclear plants. Managing nuclear waste safely over thousands of years is a significant and expensive challenge.
Health Costs: Exposure to radiation can have serious health impacts, including cancer and genetic damage. The cost of healthcare for affected individuals and communities can be substantial.
Accident Costs: In the event of a nuclear accident, such as the Chernobyl or Fukushima disasters, the costs can be immense. This includes evacuation, compensation, cleanup, and long-term environmental and health monitoring.
Security Costs: Ensuring that nuclear materials are not diverted for weapons use or targeted by terrorists involves significant expenditure on security measures and regulatory oversight.
Economic Costs: There can be broader economic impacts from nuclear accidents, including loss of agricultural or commercial land, reduced property values, and long-term disruption to local economies.
The most GPT ass comment I've ever read
PS: The evacuation at Fukushima killed more people than the actual disaster would have
PS: The materials used for nuclear reactors are not the materials used for nuclear bombs. Coal and gunpowder both burn, but you don't throw gunpowder in a coal power plant, right?
No way this wasn't written by ChatGPT
Theres been more damage from coal ash and oil power plants to the environment than from nuclear.
Coal power plants are responsible for more radiation than nuclear
Again, Coal has done more damage to people and the environment, than nuclear ever has.
No ones making a bomb from nuclear power plant waste. Pointless fearmongering from coal lobbyists.
Coal Ash has, again, done far more damage to agricultural/commerial land, reduced property valuies, and disrupted local communities far more than Nuclear power ever has.
The point is that green energy, so solar, wind, etc. is cheaper, quicker, easier, and more sustainable while providing everything that is necessary.
Except theres always going to be slack times, and I personally would rather have nuclear power filling in those dips, than fucking coal or oil.
Especially with new generations of reactors being able to run off of older generations waste.
This would be true, except for the fact that nuclear is terrible at filling in slack times. Nuclear power for the most part needs to run really consistently, 24/7. Better to fill gaps with a diversity of reasources, more transmission, and storage.
Everything you've mentioned are "supply shaping" measures: trying to match supply to an independent, wildly variable demand.
We need to focus on "demand shaping". We need to "flatten the peak" of our energy consumption, by adjusting how and when automated systems use power.
For example, water heaters consume about 20% of our energy. If we were to install thermostatic mixing valves after our water heaters to provide a consistent output, we could wildly vary the setpoint of our tanks, from anywhere just above shower temperature, to just below the boiling point. We could have our water heaters soak up every available kilowatt during a solar peak, raising the stored water temperature to 190F, and storing that hot water until it is needed for showers overnight.
Desalination, hydrogen electrolysis, and various other industries could also adjust their production rates to take advantage of favorable energy pricing, shutting down production entirely and backfeeding the grid with their own, on-site solar and wind production when energy prices favor their power more than their nornal production.
With the "slack times" heavily moderated by effective demand shaping, the rigid consistency of nuclear isn't nearly as detrimental.
I mean, we obviously need to do both. The conversation in the thread is about nuclear, which is a supply side resource. DR and demand shaping do even more to enable truly renewable resources. Why do the demand shaping to enable nuclear when renewables are cleaner and cheaper?
I'm curious why it doesn't make up a bigger share of energy generation in China then. I assume China doesn't have the same issues with NIMBYism.
It is pretty stupid to look at a nuclear power plant and think "cool, this is pretty clean, cheap and safe" when spent nuclear fuel and plutonium wastes require well-designed storage for periods ranging from tens of thousands to a million years, to minimize releases of the contained radioactivity into the environment.
What if generation 2748 in the future makes a mistake and pollutes an entire region? A million accidents could and will happen, it is so obvious. Aren't you aware of this? It's insane to do this to our childrens children and all other earthlings that will live after us.
It's efficient, pays for itself within a couple decades, and is far less dangerous than what we're doing right now. Did you know that burning fossil fuels releases more radiation into populated areas than nuclear power does?
Nuclear power is a wonderful example of how costs can be pushed into the future and onto future generations. People are obviously still falling for this. The "Asse"-repository in Germany was used for storage from 1967 to 1978 and now we descendants have to deal with the follow-up costs while our ancestors enjoyed the oh-so-cheap nuclear power. Groundwater is already leaking in, and preventing pollution is complex and expensive. And we are only the second generation, but the stuff will still be there in 2000 generations. Rooting for this is so incredibly short-sighted.
you've convinced me, I'm an oil industry stan now, since nuclear power hasn't made any progress in waste management in the last 60 years, and it's not like our descendents will be dealing with the environmental cost of fossil fuels here in 2000 years
Granted that's because there won't be any descendents, but still
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