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The YouTube Adam Something had similar comments. For example, the Hyperloop from Musk would be more efficient if you'd use pods on rails instead of Tesla's, and make the pods longer like a train. It's called a subway. Or other pod like ideas. What if you make them longer which would be more energy efficient, with one driving engine and carts behind it which you can fill with people or goods. It's called a fucking train. Years and years of development into what we have now, then to have a stupid narcissistic scam artist wanting to reinvent something which works perfectly into some futuristic looking concept which would make a perfectly fine system broken and less efficient. "Please give me money, oh people on Kickstarter, as for I think I know better then years of evolution, research and development. Don't do the math, trust me, I have a flashy computer animation to prove how cool my idea is. I did not finish school, my dad gave me a lot of money because he says I'm special." Floating mega cities, pods, self driving cars, terraforming Mars, vacuum washing machines, vacuum tunnel systems, solar panel roads, etc etc etc. Next to Adam Something I can recommend ThunderF00t on YouTube. A scientist joking about Musk his stupidity and other tech kickstarter scammers, breaking their scams with science.
Ill be honest, when I first heard about the hyper loop, I thought the idea was to make trains cool again and kickstart national interest in public transit. In retrospect I was kind of an idiot.
The US is an idiot for not investing more in trains. The country literally was built with trains. People just stopped caring because air travel became popular and cheap. Just go invest in high speed trains, repair the tracks already out there, expand. Hoping someone would make trains sexy again isn't stupid. Elon Musk is though. Falling for his scams is stupid too, but I've been there as well in the beginning. I was just not aware people could lie that much and get away with it. The to continue with even bigger scams. Guess I'm stupid too.
Most billionaires just want more money. They know how to sell something, so they try to get as much investors as possible for any stupid idea which they think they are able to sell. Same with kickstarter scammers. They become rich by doing the same trick. White collar scam artists.
Pretty sure freight is popular though.
Is it? Many trains are in disrepair, as well as tracks. There have been many accidents the past few years.
You weren't an idiot. Musk was really good at marketing back then, and hadn't yet revealed his true self to the world.
Everything becomes either a train or a commie block if you iterate enough on the idea.
Are trains the crabs of the transportation world?
Yes
There once was a pipe dream of a dual mode car/monorail vehicle. RUF utube video seemed promising, since cars & busses could dock together for longer stretches on rail.
I believe the furthest it went, was a test track loop and a couple prototype vehicles.
Ah, a transport system with fixed entry/exit points after which the rest is manual transportation. We have a similar system in The Netherlands. It's called trains and bicycles. You bring your bike onto the train or you take a public transportation bike at the railway station. Or a public transportation electric car at the railway station. Or a bus, subway, tram. You can even bring your bike with those. And no parking costs or searching for a parking spot. Just park your bike right outside your destination. Or right in front of your home, even if you live in an apartment in the city center. It's revolutionary. Check This guy's channel for more on Dutch infrastructure. We're number 1 in the world for best roads.
I'm surprised to see the inventor still posting YouTube. The test track was torn down and the cars put in a museum 10-15 years ago.
It does solve a still increasingly relevant issue, but I really don't think it will ever be done that way.
What about a train for cars to replace highways
This exists, Amtrak even runs one called the Auto Train, but it's a lot more efficient to just leave the cars behind and put the people straight on the train.
We already have the Wuppertaler Schwebebahn
Seattle has this, but the train rides on top of the monorail. We call it... The Monorail
but how can the same system be made to work in areas with large distances between individual users and with the rails in disrepair?
The only solution I can think of would be using rails in citys and tires in rural areas with mechanisms like rail service trucks so as to meet the needs of rural individuals. I know they make up a minority, however if the government could fully replace roads with rails and bike lanes in citys it would be almost necessary to provide a way for rural people who occasionally vist to go shopping for goods that the mail system doesn't deliver and local stores don't stock (eg. appliances, specialty meats and vegetables, lithium ion batterys, specialty healthcare, and bulk goods).
Or we could just have subways with actual cargo space that's secure, large enough to store 8x4 plywood, reservable in advance, and with a competent loading/ unloading mechanism for transfers from subway to train and ebike to subway.
Or we could have trains, subways, bicycle lanes, roads for cars and delivery trucks which we drive ourselves, airplanes and ships. Why do we have to reinvent the system we currently have? It works. Trains for long distances, trucks for the last part. Cycling in cities (at least in NL) and cars for longer distances. Subways, trams and busses for public transportation in larger cities, trains for travel between cities, ships for massive cargo, planes for fast casgo and traveling really far. More and more is changing to electric. We shouldn't replace all roads with train tracks for individuals to use just because they are too lazy to drive themselves. There's lots of work to do in the US, as that country is made for cars only. Look at The Netherlands, we've done a really good job changing everything to cycling and public transportation mainly. Or Denmark. Kopenhagen is insanely well designed for bicycles and public transportation, even though it's a really old city. Tokyo is huge, their public transportation system is insane, it's perfect in every way.
If you're going to complain about train tracks in rural areas being in disrepair, why not repair them? Here in NL we have a track replacement train which drives at night and replaces the entire track during the time the track isn't used. No manual labor, fully automatic.
Just because the US doesn't repair and upgrade the systems they have and stubbornly sticks to mainly road travel even though there are many countries which have shown that doesn't work but changing does, doesn't mean we have to invent new stupid shit because the American infrastructure is so extremely dumb.
We will always need some cars/trucks/semi's, we can just switch most of it to other forms of transportation which are already out there. Just learn to drive if you really need a car, it's not rocket science. Otherwise take the buss.
You can also just look at history to see how this would work. Interurban cars (electric streetcars that are capable of sustaining speeds of 60+mph) would operate on flagstop routes, only stopping at stations if either a passenger onboard requested or a passenger at the station flagged them down. Additionally passengers could often flag the cars from anywhere along the tracks to pick them up (this would vary by system/line)
Combine such a system with bicycles and you're already most of the way there to car-free/car-light rural living