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You may have noticed a distinct lack of return2ozma. This is due to their admitting, in a public comment, that their engagement here is in bad faith:

I'm sure there will be questions, let me see if I can address the most obvious ones:

  1. Can I still post negative stuff about Biden?

Absolutely! We have zero interest in running an echo chamber. However, if ALL you're posting is negative, you may want to re-think your priorities. You get out of the world what you put into it and all that.

  1. Why now?

Presumption of innocence. It may be my own fault, but I do try to think the best of people, and even though they were posting negative articles, they weren't necessarily WRONG. Biden's poll numbers, particularly in minority demographics ARE in the shitter. They are starting to get better, but he still has a hell of a hill to climb.

  1. Why a 30 day temp ban and not a permanent ban?

The articles return2ozma shared weren't bad, faked, or from some wing-nut bias site like "beforeitsnews.com", they were legitimate articles from established and respected news agencies, pointing out the valid problems Biden faces.

The problem was ONLY posting the negatives, over and over and then openly admitting that dishonest enagement is their purpose.

Had they all been bullshit articles? It would not have taken anywhere near this much time to lay the ban and it would have been permanent.

30 days seems enough time for them to re-think their strategery and come back to engage honestly.

tl;dr - https://youtu.be/C6BYzLIqKB8#t=7s

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[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 31 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Theres lots of blind support and promotion for team blue on here

Every time we have this conversation, this same point comes up, and it's always totally imaginary.

The whole board is full of people giving Biden shit (chiefly for Israel at this point; honestly it might be a different story if he wasn't giving them weapons, but as it is, I think you'd be hard pressed to find any story about US aid for Israel that doesn't have its top rated comment as giving his war criminal ass a hard time for it. As well they should.)

But the trolls like to create a reality where they are the only ones that are willing to criticize Biden, and anyone who's taking any note of their particular brand of wildly dishonest and repetitive-almost-like-someone's-doing-it-as-a-job anti Biden postings, just is part of some kind of imaginary monolith that doesn't want any criticism.

The fact that it's never true and looking at the comments for like 2 seconds will illustrate that it's not true, somehow never deters people from saying it.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago

There lots of comments on ozuma articles saying they are bullshit as well. If people that only post positive stuff don't get banned it's just an echo chamber, it's just as bad faith as only negative at that point.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 0 points 4 months ago

I am interested in the fact that as of this moment, the pro-ozma speakers in this thread come from:

  • kbin.run
  • fedia.io
  • kbin.earth
  • sh.itjust.works
  • slrpnk.net
  • lemmy.sdf.org

And the anti-ozma speakers come from:

  • lemmy.world
  • lemm.ee
  • lemmy.world
  • mbin.grits.dev
  • programming.dev
  • lemmy.world
  • discuss.tchncs.de
  • lemmy.world

It is very interesting to me that each individual one of the pro-ozma speakers comes from a different instance, with no repetition. Could be a coincidence of course, but looking over the two lists it's hard not to notice a clear disparity. And, as a pure hypothetical, it would make it very difficult for any individual admin to detect a duplication of IP address between any two of the accounts. And there's no lemmy.world. Purely hypothetically speaking of course.

[-] AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago

It's likely a coincidence.

I blocked Ozma months ago, because seeing his posts did not spark joy and blocking him has improved my experience on Lemmy, and generally I think this is a good moderator decision. But I hadn't commented because I mostly agree with the temporary ban and I wasn't seeing his posts anyway.

[-] young_broccoli@fedia.io 5 points 4 months ago

Nice argument; So im some sort of shill/bot/alt now? I guess this conversation is over then.

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 2 points 4 months ago

I would find this constant paranoid suspicion of yours more amusing if it weren't so condescending toward people who do not share your worldview.

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 4 months ago

Mm yes we must be pro that account and not anti how dumb/silly the reasoning is.

[-] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth -3 points 4 months ago

I was kbin.social before this until they got unstable.

Might want to add that one.

But please, go through my history and continue to call me an alt

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 1 points 4 months ago

I didn't say you were an alt; I said the first list looks way way different than the second list.

In the interval while I was typing, a couple of other pro-ozma people from lemmy.world chimed in. But I'm gonna leave it. That's how it looked when I checked, and the way it looked when I checked is pretty weird.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

That’s how it looked when I checked, and the way it looked when I checked is pretty weird.

Must be a conspiracy.

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