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Patrick Breyer and Pirate Party lose EU Parliament seats
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Pull effects aren't real. Help eradicating the reasons why the people are fleeing in the first place if you want less refugees.
Not as if the EU would want that, though. There's continents to exploit and money to be made, after all.
I partly agree, which is why I mentioned spending resources more effectively in the countries.
Pull effects are absolutely real, ignoring them is idiotic.
Pull effects have never been empirically shown. You're repeating the right's talking points.
Have they been empirically disproven?
You can't prove a negative.
It's an outdated model and not really taken seriopsly in academia.
Fair point, but that still gives me room to doubt the claim that pull factors have no impact on migration, I must appologize to my overly confidant commwnt earlier in the thread
As I said: the theory of push- and pull-factors is outdated and not really taken seriously in academics anymore. Are you claiming that you know reasons for migration better than academia?
To be frank, no, I don't claim to understand migration factors better than experts.
But if that theory is no longer seen as credible, I wonder how academia explains migration factors.
For me it isn't good enough to just say that the theories are wrong, I need to know what factors they believe causes migration instead.
The homepage I linked to earlier tries to ansewer your questions. Here's the english translation if you don't speak German.
Alright, so push/pull factors does infact exist, but we don't know what they are.
Did you read the article? O.o
Yes?
It talks about how the classic push/pull factors are way less important than culture and language.
To me, denying the push/pull concept is dumb, I'll absolutely conceede that the main push/pull factors may not be as prominant as previously suggested, but the play a part.
The article gives examples of how people want to go to a place with very similar culture and language, and as an example of that the bring up that the vast majority of syrian refugees are housed in Turkey, not other European countries, this is only natural, Turkey is neighbouring Syria, sp naturally most refugees go there, Poland and Ukraina is a similar situation, brodering nations.
This feel to me like a "feels over reals" situation.
That may be right, I see it more like logic reasoning, but I understand that said logic and reasoning is based on feelings and imagined emotions.
It's actually not, since you treat it more like a non-falsifiable "common sense" situation, which actually excludes logical reasoning.