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posting 'tankie' is the new 'woke' slur on a lemmy instance.. (lemmygrad.ml)
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On lemmy.world I posted a comment on how liberals use 'tankie' as an invective to shut down dialogue and received tons of hateful replies. I tried to respond in a rational way to each. Someone's said 'get educated' I responded 'Im reading Norman Finkelstein's I'll burn that bridge when I get there' and tried to keep it civil.

They deleted every comment I made and banned me. Proving my point, they just want to shut down dialogue. Freedom of speech doesn't existing in those 'totalitarian' countries right? But in our 'enlightened' western countries we just delete you.

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[-] GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Lack of press freedom

Compared to what country? What exactly are workers not allowed to say or write in China that is allowed in the West?

[Lack of] organization freedom

Compared to what country? There are hundreds of protests every day across China

social credit system

You mean the "system" that's been debunked many times by various Western capitalist media outlets?

great firewall of China

Maintaining Internet sovereignty from the imperial core and having workers in control of the government are not mutually exclusive

over 2000 work hours pr year

Citation needed

severely low scores in democracy rankings

Whose rankings, and why do you consider them relevant?

[-] spacedout@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The burden of proof is on you, since you are making extraordinary claims. No matter, here:

https://rsf.org/en/ranking china nr 173

https://www.ilo.org/dyn/normlex/en/f?p=1000:50002:0::NO:50002:P50002_COMPLAINT_TEXT_ID:4341007 one of many cases. Are you allowed to start a union in China? Doesn't seem like it.

https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/cs181/projects/2010-11/FreedomOfInformationChina/great-firewall-technical-perspective/index.html Re firewall - information blockade and surveillance != Worker control nor sovereign internet.

https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/9049298 One of thousands scholarly articles on this. Next youre gonna tell me IEEE is revisionist?

https://ourworldindata.org/working-hours 2200 working hours pr year is ridiculous!

You're not really convincing me that China is a good example of worker control. Let me ask you something:

  • What evidence or examples can you provide to support your claim that workers exert significant control over the Chinese state? Are there specific policies, decisions, or instances where workers' influence is evident?
  • How do you reconcile the lack of press freedom and restrictions on organizing independent labor movements with the assertion that workers have control? Do you believe these limitations are inconsequential or have alternative explanations?
  • How would you explain the extensive power and authority of the Chinese Communist Party within the political system, considering your claim that workers are in control? What role does the Party play in shaping policy decisions and governance?
  • Can you elaborate on the role of other influential actors, such as the government bureaucracy, state-owned enterprises, and the military, in the Chinese state? How do these entities interact with workers in terms of decision-making and power dynamics?
  • Are there any studies, scholarly research, or analyses that specifically support the idea that workers hold significant control over the Chinese state? What are the methodologies and findings of these studies?
  • How would you account for China's low rankings in democracy and freedom assessments conducted by international organizations? How do these rankings align with your assertion of workers' control over the state?
  • What are your thoughts on the social credit system, the Great Firewall of China, and other control mechanisms employed by the government? How do these mechanisms affect workers' ability to influence state policies and decisions?
[-] m532@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Your imperialist mouthpiece sources only confirm one thing: Imperialists HATE china. This confirms that china is on the correct track.

The firewall? Imperialists hate it.

Workers in charge? Imperialists hate it.

Real democracy? Imperialists hate it.

State-owned enterprises? The usa MIC hates it.

The "international organizations"? Owned by usa or its lackeys.

[-] spacedout@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Citation needed.

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