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[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Let's run through the recent story so people have it:

(First on FDR, that was before 45 years of anti-communist rhetoric, which frankly turned into anti-government-policy rhetoric.)

Jimmy Carter: Told people to conserve and got voted the fuck out.

Bill Clinton: After successive losses Bill figured out "it's the economy stupid". And when you run against an incumbent (Bush senior) you have to run from the center. So that's what he did. And he won.

Gore: After the population hopefully warmed up with Bill Clinton, he stuck his head out left with climate change. And bam he lost the election. Thanks 3rd party protest voters!

Obama: So guess what Obama learned? Don't stick your head out. He ran on broad "hope", hoping the ambiguity would be enough considering Bush's disastrous wars. And he won.

Hillary Clinton: After the population hopefully warmed up with Obama, she stuck her head out just a tiny itty little bit left with the Map Room to fight climate change. And guess what happened? Bam she lost. Thanks protest non-voters!

Biden: Just like Obama learned from Gore, Biden learned from Hillary that you don't stick your head out left. And he was running against an incumbent, so once again when you do that you run center. He's actually been governing more from the left, but he ran center. 

And people are amazed that they don't run an extreme left platform? Every time they stick their head out a little itsy bitsy tiny bit left they lose. And the next guy learns to go to the center to win.

So how do you get them to move left? By giving them victories. Consistent and overwhelming victories. Because when they lose, like they've lost 20 years out of the last 24 years, they will go to the centre to find votes. You don't get big steps without the small steps.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 21 points 4 months ago

Let's try the more recent history again.

Obama ran on "hope" but, more importantly ,"change" and won in a landslide. Then he governed from the center as a status quo technocrat. He lost a Democratic super majority and almost the presidency to a slice of white bread.

Hillary Clinton was the most establishment centrist candidate the Democrats could have possibly run. Her campaign thought they could sweep the country by choosing a radical clown for the Republican opponent. They helped the Trump campaign get free media attention to win the primary, then they lost to the clown.

After 4 years of the clown, the country would have elected a ham sandwich. Even so, it was looking a bit close, so Biden did what most Democrats do in a close election and leaned left, almost sounding like Bernie lite at times. You can chart his popularity through his presidency and every uptick coincides with a move to the left, and every downtick with a move to the right.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world -4 points 4 months ago

Biden did what most Democrats do in a close election and leaned left

In a close election, and when running against an incumbent, Dems go to the center. Because that's where the voters are.

You're the first person I've ever heard say Biden leaned left.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 16 points 4 months ago

I think you might just be a time traveler from the 90s. Everyone expected Biden to run further to the center but he did the opposite. Here is a partial list of his left leaning promises.

  • Free community college
  • Universal Pre-K
  • Student debt forgiveness
  • Double Pell Grants
  • Expand Social Security
  • Increase refugee admissions
  • Expand path to citizenship
  • Raise taxes on the wealthy
  • Raise corporate tax rate
  • Strengthen unions
  • Bring back manufacturing
  • Expand broadband access
  • Voting rights for felons
  • Eliminate mandatory minimums
  • Eliminate cash bail
  • End private detention centers
  • Decriminalize Marijuana
  • Lower cost of prescription drugs
  • $15 federal minimum wage
  • 12 weeks paid medical leave
  • 7 days paid vacation
  • Rejoin Paris Agreement
  • Green energy assistance for disadvantaged communities
  • Block new fracking
  • Offer a public option
  • Create public health jobs corps
  • Restore engagement with Cuba
  • Constitutional amendment to eliminate private funding of elections
  • Reverse transgender military ban

The thing is, that the left-right spectrum isn't the only axis that voters use to evaluate politicians anymore. A mich more important axis is now pro/anti establishment. Americans almost universally despise the DC establishment. Hillary represented that establishment, while Trump mocked it. Trump was a message in the form of a molotov cocktail.

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