1229
Ah Bernie, what could have been...
(lemmy.ml)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 22 Jun 2024
1229 points (97.5% liked)
Political Memes
5483 readers
1297 users here now
Welcome to politcal memes!
These are our rules:
Be civil
Jokes are okay, but don’t intentionally harass or disturb any member of our community. Sexism, racism and bigotry are not allowed. Good faith argumentation only. No posts discouraging people to vote or shaming people for voting.
No misinformation
Don’t post any intentional misinformation. When asked by mods, provide sources for any claims you make.
Posts should be memes
Random pictures do not qualify as memes. Relevance to politics is required.
No bots, spam or self-promotion
Follow instance rules, ask for your bot to be allowed on this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
You're making no sense. Protest no vote in spite of her moving a little bit left is an oxymoron. Unless you meant protest no vote to spite her. In which case it doesn't matter because of exactly what I'm saying, left voters don't show up. You'd be an absolute fool to court voters that never show up, (again when you walk before you run). So candidates go to the center to find voters that do show up.
Are you saying that if Hillary had rejected the map room proposal, then left wing voters would have turned out to vote for her?
That's ridiculous to think that moving further right would have got more left voters to turn out to vote.
Meaning the map room proposal had no effect on left wing voters, because it wasn't enough. It did not cause them to protest.
No I'm not. I think you don't know what "in spite of" means. The correct usage of that expression would be: "The far left wing wanted Hillary to move far left. But they voted for her anyway in spite of her only moving a little bit left."
This entire conversation has been you (intentionally or otherwise) misreading and/or misinterpreting and/or twisting words, so I'm leaving this conversation. I think I've explained things well enough.
https://www.grammarly.com/blog/despite-in-spite-of/
I feel you are misinterpreting what I'm trying to say, this example would be more accurate:
I still think this has been a useful conversion, because it has helped me understand what you actually meant to say.
What I think you're trying to say is that moving left failed to prevent voters from protesting, which I'm completely in agreement here.
If courting left wing voters fails to get them out to vote, then politicians are just going to pander to center/right voters.
Your phrasing was just really weird, because you keep arguing that moving left is what triggered the voters to protest, but they would have protested either way.
JFC I don't know how you misread things so badly. Go read from the very start
~~We're saying you don't understand cause and effect.~~
~~You are saying A (moving left) caused B (losing).~~
~~If A didn't happen, then B also would not have happened. Therefore, "if she had stayed to the right, she would have won."~~
Edit: I think I figured out what I've got wrong. If I rephrase what you said, then it makes more sense:
"She did lose because the voters did not show up, even though she moved a little left."