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[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 18 points 5 months ago

Actually just to wrench your caveat, Andrew Jackson was a major figure in the voting rights battle of the day, the right of non property owners to vote.

If it weren't for the Jackson admin, we wouldn't have the language we used to expand voting rights even further when those fights came to their crescendoes, and this country would still be entirely governed as a landowner oligarchy instead of just significantly like it is now.

That sounds sarcastic and cynical but there is a big difference.

[-] protist@mander.xyz 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I appreciate the info. You're totally right, and this further proves my point. People deride "the founding fathers" for the racist, capitalist state they created, but the reality is that what they created was absolutely radical for their time. The idea that white people of common birth could have power was incredibly radical in the late 18th century.

Since the US was founded, it's been a steady march to increase rights, first to white landowning men, then to poor white mean, then to white women, and then to black, brown, and indigenous people. Many will say "well we haven't gone far enough," and that's true, but that doesn't discount the progress that's been made since we were literally beholden to the whims of a king

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

Yeah, we can absolutely recognize that the FFs were quite radical for their day. I don't question their merits as their day's progressive wing, my beef with their document is in how poorly it's aged with the nation, to the point that serious overhaul if not a complete rewrite is needed to address the problems we face today because of problems in the document.

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