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You can't assume from people voting for one of the only two parties that can win an election, plus the fact that neither party promises adequate action on climate change, that people don't care. In a first-past-the-post system people often feel forced to vote for a party that is not their favorite and doesn't prioritize as they would like.
The survey says 80%... that is enough to get any party to win. Hell, if you dare to dream high enough, that number is high enough to completely set the current government to the side, deny their legitimacy, and make a new governmental system - like one which is not a "first-past-the-post system".
The argument of "only two parties that can win" is nonsensical in this context, no offense.
Either way, the US is not the only country in the world, and it's not the only example the other user gave. Even if we ignore the US, how do you justify this in other countries that don't have a first-past-the-post system? Like I said in another comment:
People don't like that, and it affects how they vote.
That assumes that the 80% of people agree on everything else too.
Say it's 30% conservatives, 50% socialists and 20% whatever else - you expect them to join forces and vote for a 3rd party because they agree on one aspect?
Yes.
Do Democrats all agree 100% with each other? Do Republicans? They still manage to get together to vote for those parties. How many single issue voters are out there?
But I'm expected to believe 80% want significant climate action or have any clue what that would really entail, but can't get together and vote for a green party? Perhaps if by "stronger climate action" they mean more electrical cars and recycling bins, or maybe these 80% even include people who want more green coal, but I'm sure we both know that doesn't mean really mean anything.