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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by t3rmit3@beehaw.org to c/politics@beehaw.org

This sucks. This is leaning further into the Major Questions Doctrine that SCOTUS has been pushing, where agencies and their actually knowledgeable, employed scientists and technical experts, have no real control over regulatory policies, and instead are beholden to Congress and judges to decide e.g. how many ppm of a chemical is safe for people to drink.

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[-] Kaboom@reddthat.com 2 points 4 months ago

More like they can still make those ruling, but now instead of them being challenged solely on a costitutional basis, they can be challenged on whether or not they follow the law in question.

Defining moldy is one thing. Declaring shoestrings to be machine guns is another

[-] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 7 points 4 months ago

Congress is the one who passed the GCA, FOPA, and NFA. If you don't like the definition of a machine gun being a firearm that fires more than once with a single actuation of the trigger (and the parts that allow them to), blame them, not the ATF.

[-] Kaboom@reddthat.com 1 points 4 months ago

Making owning shoes a felony is ridiculous, and I honestly cant believe you're arguing in good faith.

And a shoe string does not create a firearm that fires more than once with a single actuation of the trigger.

The ATF went completely off the rails with that one, and it shouldnt have been a challenge of how constitutional it was, it should have been a challenge that it didn't fit the law.

[-] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They didn't make owning shoes a felony. Rich of you too accuse ME of arguing in bad faith in the same breath you say that.

If you use a string to make a reciprocating charging handle pull the trigger as it returns to battery after firing, why is that less "legitimate" in converting the gun into automatic firing than using an auto-sear? In both cases, the gun fires multiple times with a single pull of the trigger by a person.

[-] Kaboom@reddthat.com 1 points 4 months ago

Okay, it was everyone who owned a gun and a shoestring. Sure, gun owners are no longer allowed to lace up their shoes. Heres a link to the letter. Thats a sensible rule. https://old.reddit.com/r/progun/comments/p46y9n/just_a_reminder_that_in_2007_the_atf_classified/

[-] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

we have determined that the string itself is not a machinegun, whether or not there are loops tied on the ends. However, when the string is added to a semiautomatic firearm as you proposed in order to increase the cycling rate of that rifle, the result is a firearm that fires automatically and consequently would be classified as a machinegun.

So no, gun owners with shoes are not felons, unless they combine those 2 things to make a machinegun. Obviously.

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