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China: death penalty for advocating ‘Taiwan independence’
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Sensationalist headline, trading journalistic integrity for website clicks. But I suppose "shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not more than three years" doesn't draw as much attention.
Imprisonment for simply saying something that in no sane world would be considered a crime.
But would give you a hell of a beating in the spanish Catalan referendum on Independence which was just a bunch of years ago and not some ancient happening.
There are at least 5 openly independentist parties, some of which held government, in Catalonia.
How many are there in China?
I'll notify Julian Assange.
You wouldn't get imprisoned for simply saying it, though.
"If the conduct specified in Article 7 of these Opinions is carried out and the circumstances are serious, causing serious consequences or causing particularly bad effects, it shall be deemed as a "serious crime" "
You'd have to take a more active role, and your participation would have to lead to something more major. It even goes on to say that if you renounce your stance, the charges may be dismissed.
It's sufficient to mention it in a wechat group with >10 people, which already qualified as instigating "the masses".
Interesting, I'd like to do more reading on the subject. Do you have any preferred sources?
Sure, though quite a few of those things are not explicitly written down, and court transcripts are only published in high profile cases, so you won't find any official reference to the group size. So it's mostly from second hand experience and hearsay. You pick up one or the other thing if you live in China for nearly a decade.
But here's some official reading - I hope the sites are accessible from outside China, that's something I can't validate right now.
You should be good to go with google translate; though specifically for Chinese legalese, I suggest yandex translate (assuming you don't speak Chinese):
https://m.66law.cn/laws/1470356.aspx
https://www.spp.gov.cn/spp/llyj/202111/t20211130_537133.shtml
http://legal.people.com.cn/n1/2021/0416/c205462-32079979.html
https://m.thepaper.cn/newsDetail_forward_20925867
Excellent, thanks.
Almost all of these "national security" trials are done in complete secret by the Adjudicative Committee, which is a political CCP body that oversees the public legal system. Its exact workings are a state secret, but it generally reviews all court proceedings and defers to the public court for most matters. However for any case which involves foreign affairs or national security, there is a high chance that the Adjudicative Committee will hold a national security trial in secret and deliver the verdict to the appointed trial judge, who will read the verdict into the public record.
You don't even have to say it. Go hand out "free Taiwan" pamphlets in tiananmen square and I promise you that you will be arrested extremely quickly and tried in secret. Your "trial" will be a judge telling your lawyer the charges, verdict and sentence to an otherwise empty courtroom. If you are very lucky you will be deported with time served.
Source: I have family in China who are quiet dissidents.
Do you have any other sources that can be verified? Otherwise, I'll have to dismiss your claim as baseless. But like I said in other comments, I'm referring to the article and how it sensationalized the death penalty for website clicks, not about China's intent behind the law or it's application.
You can literally travel to China and find out yourself
Baseless, got it. Thanks.