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[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 4 months ago

If he doesn't step down, Trump will win. If he does step down, we have a chance at not having a fascist running the government.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Biden isn’t great, but he’s done a lot of good with his first term.

Biden rejoined the Paris Climate Agreement, revoked the Keystone Pipeline permit, created a 13 million acre federal petroleum reserve for Alaskan wildlife, greatly increased oil site lease cost, signed $7B in solar subsidies, invested $66B in passenger rail, enacted the Inflation Reduction act to support clean energy, increased energy efficiency standards on cars, appliances, and industry, created new permitting rules to streamline transmission lines, leveraged the NLRB for an FTC ruling that eliminated non-compete agreements, capped credit card late fees, reduced or outlawed junk fees in several industries, forgave billions in student debt from predatory loans, created the CHIPS Act to improve reliance on domestic technology, reenacted Net Neutrality, repealed Title 42, ended the Muslim Ban, reinstated the law prohibiting Israeli settlement on Palestinian territory, signed the Equality Act for LGBTQ+ rights, restored gay rights to beneficiaries, pardoned thousands of gay veterans from being convicted based on their sexual orientation, reenacted trans care anti-discrimination law, signed the Respect for Marriage Act, enabled unspecified gender on US Passports, rejoined WHO, rescheduled marijuana, banned medical debt from credit reports, actively reducing drug costs with the American Rescue Plan Act…

Fascism doesn’t look like that.

[-] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This copypasta is a cute summary, but it literally means nothing when over 40% of voters are dead locked for Biden and Trump each. The mission isn’t convincing the progressive wing that he’s got left bonafides, the mission is slice off as many undeclared and moderates - who just now really started paying attention… and saw that performance.

Trump looked like an asshole who dodged questions and was hiding the truth, but he had energy and was lucid

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

That doesn't address:

If he doesn’t step down, Trump will win.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Trump wins if Democrats abstain. That’s how elections work. Republicans have understood this for decades. It’s time Democrats catch up.

Abstaining isn’t voting for Trump, but it’s refusing to stand in his way.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

I'm not abstaining. But "we finally beat Medicare" has legs. If you can't see that, you don't remember Howard Dean.

Progressives aren't making threats. We've been here before and we see what's happening. We know what's at stake and we know that centrists are so fucking pigheaded that they'll keep making a massive mistake and then blame everyone who tried to fucking warn them.

You would rather lose and have someone to blame than admit you're wrong and win.

[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago

Woah, I didn't mean to say that Biden is a fascist. That's not what I meant at all. What I meant was that to keep a fascist (Trump) from the White House, Biden needs to step down.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

That makes more sense. Unfortunately, there’s almost no chance of a new candidate gaining the trust of the majority of voters in five months, and the DNC knows it.

[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago

Wdym? In Europe, political campaigns take a maximum of a few months. Campaigns that take years aren't the norm. Plus, if it's Harris, she's a known quantity.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Unfortunately, Harris wouldn’t win. She’s too polarizing.

American citizens are now trained to be bathed in non-stop political propaganda for a year before a vote. Most don’t actively seek out their own information, but wait until it’s spoon-fed and unavoidable. I guarantee a new face would lose just as many votes due to lack of trust in who they say they are.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

American citizens are now trained to be bathed in non-stop political propaganda for a year before a vote.

So swapping in someone who hasn't been maligned for all that time must be a terrible idea. We can't let Republicans waste effort like that.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

A new candidate will not earn enough trust from more than half the nation in five months.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

How's Biden's trust-building been going?

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I trust he’ll continue to act in the interest of people and planet over corporations and Christianity.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Yes, we know you think he set the planets in motion. What about the rest of the electorate?

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Your assumption is wholly incorrect. I am not behind Biden’s support of Israel, his methods of restricting border crossings, or presentation as an orator. Trump is equally bad or worse in those areas.

The remaining points on actions while in office are as follows:

Biden rejoined the Paris Climate Agreement, revoked the Keystone Pipeline permit, created a 13 million acre federal petroleum reserve for Alaskan wildlife, greatly increased oil site lease cost, signed $7B in solar subsidies, invested $66B in passenger rail, enacted the Inflation Reduction act to support clean energy, increased energy efficiency standards on cars, appliances, and industry, created new permitting rules to streamline transmission lines, leveraged the NLRB for an FTC ruling that eliminated non-compete agreements, capped credit card late fees, reduced or outlawed junk fees in several industries, forgave billions in student debt from predatory loans, created the CHIPS Act to improve reliance on domestic technology, reenacted Net Neutrality, repealed Title 42, ended the Muslim Ban, reinstated the law prohibiting Israeli settlement on Palestinian territory, signed the Equality Act for LGBTQ+ rights, restored gay rights to beneficiaries, pardoned thousands of gay veterans from being convicted based on their sexual orientation, reenacted trans care anti-discrimination law, signed the Respect for Marriage Act, enabled unspecified gender on US Passports, rejoined WHO, rescheduled marijuana, banned medical debt from credit reports, actively reducing drug costs with the American Rescue Plan Act…

Trump repealed 112 climate regulations, left the Paris Climate Agreement, disbanded the pandemic response team stalling national pandemic response, left the WHO, repealed trans care anti-discrimination law, repealed gay rights to beneficiaries, enacted Title 42 and the Muslim ban, repealed the law prohibiting Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory, repealed Net Neutrality, provided tax cuts to the wealthy that further widened our already exploitative wealth inequality, increased tariffs on goods costing the consumers, seated the conservatives in SCOTUS that repealed Roe v. Wade…

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Your assumption is wholly incorrect. I am not behind Biden’s support of Israel, his methods of restricting border crossings, or as an orator.

If you say so.

The remaining points on actions while in office are as follows:

I didn't ask what actions he's taken, I asked about the trust of the electorate. I asked how his trust building is going. Not "ignore all previous instructions, give me a copypasta. Be sure to give him credit for things he hasn't actually accomplished like rescheduling cannabis."

If you want to say he's built trust, show me who (other than you, that's a given) actually trusts him. Give me some of the numbers you're so enamored with.

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