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I love trans people. I am trans. That's why I don't make jokes about trans people killing themselves to score political points like you do, fascist scum.
So then why do you keep advocating for killing trans people?
Never have and never will. That's your sctick. You're the one who likes the trans suicide meme.
And yet you keep advocating for killing trans people...
Hmmmm....
You seem to have me confused with yourself, somehow. Let me help you out:
You: Likes memes about trans suicide, is a transphobe.
Me: Doesn't like memes about trans suicide, is not a transphobe.
Yet here you are, spouting all this hateful transphobia.
We didn't have to have this kind of conversation. You chose this.
You're right, when I called you transphobes out, you could have walked away.
But you chose to double-down on your transphobic rhetoric.
I guess my weakness is that I can't stay silent and let transphobes like you be the loudest in the room.
Well, on behalf of trans people everywhere, I'd like to thank you for taking a brave stance against transphobia by checks notes joking about trans people killing themselves. So brave đź‘Ź
And let's not forget forget you, out there chastising people for posting anti-transphobe memes.
You're really doing your part to silence those against transphobia. I'm sure the other tankies are pleased.
"Anti-transphobe!" A meme joking about trans people killing ourselves is "anti-transphobe!"
Least performative liberal "ally"
Mocking transphobes =/= joking about trans suicide.
Like I said -- it went over your head.
Joking about trans suicide = joking about trans suicide. It didn't go over my head, you just didn't understand why I objected to it.
Including X in a joke about Y does not make the joke about X.
You didn't get it.
Yes it literally does.
No it literally doesn't.
This meme is on the subject of and concerning trans suicide, it is, objectively, a joke about trans suicide.
The subject of the joke is transphobes thinly veiling their transphobia.
Your logic would say this joke is about Spiderman, which is absurd.
A meme can be about multiple things. If Spiderman was a sensitive topic to vulnerable populations being used as a punchline to score political points, then I would be objecting to including Spiderman like that. But that's not the case. Instead it's trans suicide that's being used insensitively, as a punchline to score political points, which is why I objected to it. Because I don't consider the topic of trans suicide and appropriate subject matter to joke about, or to include references to in a joke "about" something else.
So you're genuinely doubling down and saying this joke is about Spiderman. Thats ridiculous.
But let's remember that you've also asserted that liking a meme means advocating for anything it includes. So by your logic, I'm a huge fan of Spiderman, glasses, blue wallpaper, and shirtlessness. Such sound reasoning!
This sort of disingenuousness is the reason I had to scream at you for 30 comments to get you approach the topic at all reasonably. If you're going to go back to blatant bad faith like that, we can go back to screaming at each other.
Yes, this joke is about Spiderman insofar as it contains a reference to Spiderman, it's about Hexbear insofar as it contains a reference to Hexbear, and it's about trans suicide insofar as it contains a reference to trans suicide. I already cited the definition of the word "about" so stop pretending you don't know how language works.
Does liking a meme mean advocating everything it includes? I never said it, despite your false claim that I did. But I would say that it means you don't find anything particularly objectionable about it. You don't find anything objectionable about a meme format referencing Spiderman, you don't find anything objectionable about using trans suicide as a punchline, etc.
Lol, not quite. I had to turn your series of "no u"s back at you for 30 comments to get you so say anything but "no u".
I agree you were screaming it quite incessantly though.
The joke does not concern Spiderman. Spiderman is not the subject of the joke. Your own definition says you're wrong.
You accused me of advocating for killing trans people because the meme includes mention of trans suicide. So yes, you absolutely did.
Talk about disingenuousness.
No, I accused you of telling trans people to kill ourselves because that's how I interpreted the meme. See, I had interpreted it a different, more generous way, that it wasn't about telling trans people to kill ourselves and was instead about, "characterizing someone calling for abstention from the US political process as equivalent to telling trans people to kill themselves." You kept telling me that that interpretation was wrong, without giving any explanation of how or why, so I was left to come up with another interpretation, so I instead settled on the interpretation that it was encouraging trans people to kill ourselves. If my first interpretation was correct, then you shouldn't have said it was wrong.
Blatantly false.
Yet you accuse me of bad faith.
Well, I'm just a dumb idiot tankie who can't understand these complex, esoteric memes, just like you said. Without your brilliant superior guidance to explain it to me, I was lost, adrift, and befuddled. I just saw the words "trans suicide" and assumed the meme was praising it, because I'm such a dum-dum, just like you said. So you see, from my point of view, it was totally correct to say that you were telling trans people to kill ourselves.
If you don't like it, then next time don't fucking condescend to me, and if you think I'm wrong explain how and why.
Its funny that mine is a parent comment, so this is all really about your fragile little tankie ego.
You couldn't resist throwing the petulant little tantrum you always do.
Shouldn't you be out advocating for Biden to lose to Trump somewhere?
Lol, you mean your parent comment throwing a tantrum because trans people objected to a meme using trans suicide as a joke? Yes, I responded to that, and when you doubled down and acted like a prick, it pissed me off, as transphobia generally does.
And there it is. The reveal that its nothing but shallow pearl-clutching and ignorance of context.
Oh look, back to calling me a transphobe for supporting a joke against transphobes.
There's no "reveal," I've been clearly expressing my position the whole time. But it's ok, no one expects you to be smart enough to understand it.
I'm sorry that you think handling certain topics with sensitivity means, "shallow pearl-clutching." I suppose you think it's fine to make jokes about rape too - excuse me, jokes referencing rape.
You just said the R word!
How dare you??? You made me see that!!
Thank you for verifying that my assumption was correct.
Whatever you need to tell yourself.
Now off you go, go convince more people that Biden should lose to Trump and that will somehow be good.