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Do you think Trump 1 and Biden 2? Or did we forget about the Genocide thing again?
Just keep ignoring that elephant in the room. It's not Fascism if you don't believe Palestinians are human!
Do you really believe fucking Trump as president will be better for Palestine? At least Biden (unsuccessfully) tried to get a cease fire going. Trump would probably nuke Palestine himself.
Removed, ableist language.
I'm sorry I missed the part where Joe Biden who sent 24 Billion in weapons, actively supports israel with military intelligence, defends them against retaliation, supplies them with weapons by bypassing congress and using secret loopholes, is not complicit.
Can you tell me more about Donald Trump though. I never knew that Biden's Fascism was excused by the existence of Trump.
You guys really care a lot about Palestine you're all such experts on how Joe Biden is preventing the Genocide from happening there.
And you all care so fucking much about Palestine now that it's a convenient cudgel to beat someone with. You don't care now and you didn't care then you just want to score your little debate points from mommies basement.
Fucking waste of space if you care so much go do something about it because no U.S. president is going to do anything.
All that's needed is people not denying Biden is doing Fascism already. Just be honest.
Raising awareness for people that are in denial and sticking their head in the sand is what's needed for Palestine.
Or do you think Palestinians are going to be really happy with Biden getting another term without having made any concessions and fully backed israel through the entire Genocide?
Ok. Joe Biden's policy on Palestine is disgraceful.
What now?
Did we fix it?
Trumps policy on Palestine is disgraceful too.
Did we fix Trump?
Just be honest that's all.
I'm not sure he is.
Please define Fascism in the context that you believe Biden is doing. Be specific, I won't engage with vaguery or hyperbole.
Abusing presidential powers to be complicit in Genocide by sending weapons using loopholes in the same way Trump did when we all called him a Fascist for it.
Surprising dissent on Genocide with violent policing.
Calling anyone that doesn't agree with Genocide anti-semitic.
Censuring politicians that call Genocide Genocide.
Banning anti -Genocide speeches such as "from the river to the sea"
You all want to dance around Gaza so badly. But sadly you can't "ignore that time Biden did Fascism, what other times did he do it?"
You know genocide and fascism are different things right? Fascism has an actual meaning and it's not "things I don't like."
Oops you got examples of Fascism my bad.
Fascism is Donald Trump. CNN told me that.
Fascism is not defined by selling arms to a country that committed a genocide. Trump did that too, but that's not the definition.
Fascism is defined by whatever arbitrary definition you can apply so only Donald Trump fits in it and Joe Biden doesn't.
Fascism actually has a precise definition:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
"a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"
So breaking it down:
"that exalts nation and often race above the individual" - Trump, not Biden.
"centralized autocratic government" - Trump, not Biden (or any Democrat, really, "centralized" isn't their thing).
"dictatorial leader" - Literally Trump. https://apnews.com/article/trump-hannity-dictator-authoritarian-presidential-election-f27e7e9d7c13fabbe3ae7dd7f1235c72
"severe economic and social regimentation" - I could see this one being argued "both sides". The difference being Democrats want to use the regimentation to protect people and Republicans want to use it to oppress people.
"forcible suppression of opposition" - Definitely Trump, not Biden.
This is true if we just ignore every time Biden does these things.
The Biden administration once again bypasses Congress on an emergency weapons sale to Israel
Biden intervenes in railroad contract to block strike
Biden stressed that the rule of law "must be upheld" hours after police violently dispersed peaceful protests at universities in Los Angeles and New York, arresting hundreds of students.
Removed, ad hominem.
I unironically love a mod that's active and on top of things. You're doing the lord's work, @jordanlund@lemmy.world
Seriously, I'm not even mad.
Other folks are just as active, I'm just more public about it for transparency reasons.
Biden: I'm going to give billions of dollars to Israel to kill Palestinians
Trump: I'm going to give billions of dollars to Israel to kill Palestinians and I'm going to egg them on while doing that and block other countries from helping
FTFY.
Trump wants Palestine eradicated and Israel to expand. He repealed the law against Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/trump-israel-comments/index.html
So many people keep arguing past each other on this because there are 2 truths and each side sees their 1 truth as the end-all.
Everyone declaring "Genocide Joe" and voting 3rd party is missing the point that doing that could let Trump win. And that would be FAR worse.
And everyone declaring "Blue no matter who" and demonizing the people that want the genocide to end are missing the point that our system is fucked and does not represent us and both candidates are bad. Both candidates are right wing and our country WANTS someone on the left that represents the people, but we simply don't have that.
If you're in a solidly blue or red state that math is a bit different.
Your perception of the electorate is quite different from mine.