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[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

Not even order it, he'd have to do it himself

Anyone who'd hypothetically take the order has an obligation to refuse it, all he's doing there is passing the prosecution that he wasn't going to be in for anyways.

[-] Darorad@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Yeah, but he can just pardon them.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

Depending on the jurisdiction the assassinations are prosecuted under, and I can very well see the Judiciary hard intervening to keep that shit well out of reach of a pardon.

The precedent of sanctioned assassinations of judges might come across to them specifically as a rather especially bad one to set.

[-] Darorad@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I mean yeah, but as long as they do it in dc, is there anything they could really do?

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

DC has it's own criminal court

[-] Darorad@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Yeah, but the president has pardon power over the dc courts.

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/apply-pardon

[-] Killing_Spark@feddit.de 2 points 4 months ago

Does a member of the military have the right to refuse the direct order of the president?

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

If the order is illegal, they'd be in hotter water if they didn't.

[-] Killing_Spark@feddit.de 1 points 4 months ago

Is that so? I thought one main staple of military ranks was that if the soldier rejects an order because of judicial concerns but the superior tells them to do it anyways the judicial blame is on that superior

[-] voracitude@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Indeed this is not correct. Practically speaking, the soldier should keep refusing the order and will be relieved of duty and thrown in the brig. They will then have to hope that by the time the court martial date rolls around their name has been cleared and the officer who gave the order has been or will be court martialed in their place.

Theoretically the officer should go through every underling and find nobody willing to execute illegal orders, but practically they'd only need to go through three or four at most before they had a volunteer.

[-] weker01@feddit.de 3 points 4 months ago

Nope, I was just following orders is no valid defence.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

It depends, if the soldier should obviously have known better courts are a lot less sympathetic to "but I was ordered to!"

Being ordered to assassinate a political enemy of the president is definitely one of those "you should know better!" examples.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

That’s a really good point. They’d need plausible deniability to avoid being convicted.

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