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I've been slamming Russian/tankie "both are bad" commenters for a while here; check my comment history before you judge my response here:
I don't know about a campaign but the sentiment is hardly astroturfed. A lot of leftist (not liberal or tankie, actual leftist) pundits and influencers think Biden is a bad look for normies and certainly doesn't energize voters. This includes people from all varieties, who are not always in agreement otherwise; like Emma Vigeland from Majority Report (and probably more people from that show), Hasan Piker, Vaush, Cenk from TYT... Whatever you may think about any or all of them, they're all in agreement on Biden being replaced.
These people are hardly part of an echo chamber, they regularly come at odds with one another, and none of them are part of an astroturf, and definitely not from GOP.
Note that all of these people would still advocate for voting Biden as long as he's the candidate. But their concern is about voter turnout after his horrible performance in that debate. This is a country who elected W. Bush, because they'd like to have a beer with him. How they look and come off unfortunately matters, sometimes more than the content of their messages and even accomplishments.
This is what many don’t understand. JFK won his election because he was handsome and Nixon tanked that debate he was sick. This is a similar scenario in that Biden looks like shit and everyone can tell except Biden. He needs to accept that his age has caught up to him.
Your citation of Hasan as a non-tankie made you immediately lose all credibility.
~~Hasan has dumb positions and goes a bit too hard on "america bad" but calling him a tankie is disingenuous. also even if you disagree, saying that negates all the other things i said would just be bad faith.~~
oops, sorry i just checked your comment history. funny you should mention credibility.
I am always skeptical when I hear leftists echoing the same talking points as far right hacks. These are folks I would expect to be in unison on this point. They are ideologues. That's fine, that's their job.
Ideologically, the points are well taken. I too wish for a more progressive president. I'm not excited about Biden, either. I can live through four more years of Biden if that's what's to come.
Beating Trump is most important.
I'm of the firm belief that Biden can do that (he's already done it once), and that he is the best situated to do it. That's based on the conventional wisdom. Yes, it's the same conventional wisdom that lost the election for Hillary in 2016, but also won it for Biden in 2020. Biden's campaign apparatus is in place and switched on. He's on the ballot. He's got the backing. To try and change that now seems insurmountable.
i think you missed the point of my comment:
this is not about how progressive he has or hasn't been. he's actually been more progressive than a lot of presidents; honestly i thought the stuff he did for unions was impossible in the US.
unfortunately that's not necessarily a great force for voting in the US. again, people voted for W, and it was not for his policies. plus things like that aren't very widely or consistently publicized. and people have a short memory and attention span.
this is about how he looks and presents himself. and the reality is that he doesn't look old. he looks dead. there are people older than him that look and act like they might have been his children.
and also: beating TFG is most important. but that's why people on the left think he should step down. you may be of the firm belief that he can do it, but polls don't reflect the same confidence. you might believe the polls or not, but that's what we have.
also he's not officially the candidate until the convention. so he's not on the ballot yet. that's why people are asking for a switch.
Is the GOP actually the ones wanting us to replace Biden at the moment? If anything, there's a very good reason to believe the GOP would want Biden to remain: he's a quite unpopular president for whom the overwhelming majority of Americans have concerns about his age and mental fitness. Further, he has a ton of political baggage, and is highly contentious amongst Democrats.
Personally, I genuinely think Gretchen Whitmer (with Pete Buttigieg as running mate) would be much more likely to win in November, at least according to post-debate polling from this leaked internal memo: https://puck.news/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/SUNDAY_Post-Debate_Landscape_2024_06_30__1_-1.pdf