516
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 05 Jul 2024
516 points (97.1% liked)
politics
19144 readers
1942 users here now
Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!
Rules:
- Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.
Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.
Example:
- Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
- Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
- No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
- No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
That's all the rules!
Civic Links
• Congressional Awards Program
• Library of Congress Legislative Resources
• U.S. House of Representatives
Partnered Communities:
• News
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
And, here's the thing: If they lose this one, they will keep trying every election from now until they win or are found to be breaking the law and sentenced to heavy time or death. So, it's not just this election folks need to vote--it's every election. This hasn't been stated, but the natural direction is that they will try to get folks into any position of power where they can further disenfranchise anyone who doesn't vote their way. I know that has been happening, but Project 2025 hasn't focused on that yet (to my knowledge).
And the reason they keep not getting sentenced to heavy time or death is that enlightened-centrist liberals keep refusing to vigorously apply consequences (see also: Biden refusing to even consider SCOTUS reform, despite them literally just handing him the power to do anything he could possibly think of, up to and including having the fascist justices killed off and replaced). It's almost like they get off on edging fascism.
I think more dems are seeing that reforms need to be made. If democracy is expanded -especially in some way that abolishes gerrymandering or the two party system - the funds tying all these republicans into a single party will collapse for a time.
You see people like AOC willing to create consequences for the supreme court and people pushing constitutiomal amendments again. I expect if Biden wins again the next dem primary will be interesting. If he loses well, there's a good chance we'll become a one party system like russia at the federal level.
Sure, progressives/leftists see it, but they've been seeing it the whole time.
The trick is getting liberals to see it, and that shows pretty much no indication of happening despite the fact that the fascists are now even going so far as directly threatening to persecute them.
I wouldn't be so sure. I think the calls for Biden to step down are evidence that DNC-types (at least some of them) are realizing the gravity of this situation.
Patience grasshopper, patience
WHICH, my dear potential voters, is why we need to stop fucking arguing with one another and come together, dammit.
It's REALLY easy:
Stop being idiots.
Pressure Biden to use the recent Supreme Court decision to OUR advantage.
Vote Biden into office for another 4-years.
Continue to be fucking geniuses by holding hands and using those 4 years to fix shit.
If those on the Left actually stopped verbally measuring one another's dicks and stood united, they would be a force that the Right could not reckon with. The problem is so many of you keep strutting around, beaks in the air, making damned goose calls while collectively peeing into the wind and complaining that your pants keep getting wet.
Pressure him with what?
Your voice. You can literally call your representatives.
That doesn't appear to apply any meaningful pressure.
You still do it. Its part of the process. The alternative is violence
They're throwing your letters in the trash.
Then at least we have a garbage heap to point to when forcing them to pen the Magna Carta 2
Agreed. We don't have to agree on everything. We could get away with blocking this fascist shit and fixing some underlying problems that are preventing the majority of Americans from what they want--living comfortably (rights, wages, etc.). I know it's not necessarily simple, but it's surmountable.
Biden's cooked, he needs to step down and let Literally Anyone Else take the nomination. Other than that, I agree completely
If by using the scotius decision to our advantage, you really mean that we should become the authoritarian fascists we hope to defeat, then no - that's not what we should do.
Keep turning your nose up just like Democrats have been doing for 40 years.
There is a point we shouldn't cross. This doesn't mean we should never take steps towards it. Controlled. Planned. Done with cause. For a better tomorrow. We are at that cusp.
It's not "turning your nose up" to refuse to support authoritarianism, even if it aligns with your ideals.
I am worried about this entire dynamic.
So from now until infinity the Dems will (rightly) say Repubs are an existential threat, and that's all the reason you need to vote D. Then the Dems no longer need to aspire to anything for their voters, promise anything to their voters, and as long as the Dem voting base remains scared shitless, the Dems are no longer accountable.
The world that this creates is unappealing to say the least.
Anyone saying I just need to wait is going to be ignored.
Also I don't want to protest in sweltering climate changed heat while my foes fuck me over from their comfortably air-conditioned rooms.
I need strategies where my foes suffer more than I.
You may have heard of Thomas Jefferson?
If the Dems no longer have to compete with Republicans during generals, the focus needs to be on primarying bad candidates with better Dems too, we shouldn't just be pushing generals every four years. We need to be getting out the vote for primaries and midterms as well
And if the DNC decides to cancel the primaries?
I vote in every election. Where I live some positions just have an uncontested (R) running.
Yes, we can't be complacent and let Dems, or whoever is opposing the Right, sit comfortably on their stacks of cash. This country needs real change or it will fall.
That's exactly what I fear. The strategy to vote D solely to stop the existentially threatening R will in my opinion at best work for two more cycles. Then the public face of the Democratic Party will be ruined beyond repair. Not only that, but the public face of our electoral system itself will be ruined beyond repair.
This only postpones fascism for two cycles, but at an insanely high cost to the public institutions.
If the DNC decides to cancel all the primaries, then there are NO polite and civil methods left to get any accountability from the system.
We are NOT solving our fascism problem by simply voting D. We're rolling out red carpet for fascism in two cycles.
The only way I see that changing is voting locally and supporting new candidates with good ideas trying to hurdle the obstacles of entry. Its hard, and there's definitely no immediate solution. I think thats partly by design in a democracy.
A better democracy would not have privately controlled ballot access by a duopoly of RNC and DNC.
And a better democracy would not rely almost exclusively on billionaire-owned media, owned by 6 giant corps.
The founders loathed the idea of political parties.
I'm not going to say we don't have a democracy, because I do appreciate what little of it we do have. But we must do better and soon. If there is no civil way forward we will have to be impolite.
Isn't this like leaving your team playbook on the hood of your car before the big game? Why can't or don't the parties opposing this use it to construct their game plan to systematically remove all the loopholes and methods that this "project" is using to promote their agenda? I'm the furthest thing from a politician, so ELI5.
To fully prevent most of what's laid out there would require supreme court rulings, which isn't going to happen under a conservative court. The only way to prevent it is for Democrats to win (Biden needs to step down imo) and then pack the court and/or impeach a couple of conservative justices.
Exactly this. There is infrastructure to these kinds of moves. The right has been moving on it and the left has mostly not. However, there are some things the left could do, and they should get on that ASAP.
The politicians are always talking about killing innocent people via wars, so I don't see the big difference
I agree, actually. There may be a time and a place for it, but even if that were true, humans are not able to handle it. I wasn't necessarily endorsing that direction, simply recognizing that the eventual outcome for someone doing what they are doing could be death.
You're the only person in this thread that I've seen mention execution, numb -nuts.