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Jeremy Corbyn re-elected as independent in Islington North after expulsion from Labour
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Can you point to the quote where he says Ukraine should give up and what they should give up to make peace?
I'll do one better:
Corbyn called for withdrawal of aid for Ukraine by the West.
Corbyn expects Ukraine to cede Crimea - 17% of Ukrainian Sovereign territory
the first one
He is critical of supplying arms and not looking for a peaceful solution, but that is not calling for a withdrawal of Aid despite the Guardian's framing.
The second is from 2014 in which he says:
Nowhere in that second article does he say Ukraine should cede Crimea, he just gives a factual account of if being transferred from the Russian to the Ukrainian SSR. I'm really not seeing any simping for Putin here.
To be clear, I dont agree with Corbyn's stance personally, I believe Russia is an expansionist imperialist power than needs to be stopped by force now that it has overstepped the line and launched a military invasion of a neighbor. But having a different view (as he does does that more effort should be put onto brokering a peace deal) not equate to being a patsy for a dictator.
Translation for #1: He's telling them to give up because resistance is futile. Every conflict in history could find a peaceful solution if the oppressed simply gave up at the first sign of trouble with the oppressors. Clearly, that tends to be a losing strategy.
Translation for #2:
Obviously, without question, establishing a finders-keepers narrative.
I'm sorry but I do not buy either argument. It does not detract from the notion that Corbyn is trying to tell the defender, the victim, how they should be willing to fight back and how much they should be willing to lose.
I just want to know if Corbyn would volunteer for the front-line should Russia simply regroup following a ceasefire and attack again.
Ugh, embarrassing take. Do you think somebody talking about ending a war is betraying…yeah, what again?
Ending a war by... Giving up? Conceding land? Letting the aggressor regroup and attack again?
... What?
All I want to know is if Corbyn is so confident in his ceasefire plan that he'd put himself on the Frontline if he's wrong. If he's right, then he has nothing to fear... Riiiighhht?
this war has been going on for 10 years now. do you think more people should die for…again, what?
How about a peace treaty with western countries giving real guarantees to Ukraine instead of trying to weaken Russia by proxy, aka the Ukrainian population, providing lacklustre military support.
What does duration have to do with anything? Why are you speaking on behalf of Ukrainians who are actually the ones defending their families and doing the fighting and who know what Putin is like from personal experience?
Real guarantees of protection like a pathway to NATO? Yeah, Russia kind of interrupted that my guy.
I say again: All I want to know is if Corbyn is so confident in his ceasefire plan that he'd put himself on the Frontline if he's wrong. If he's right, then he has nothing to fear... Riiiighhht?