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For some women in China, "Barbie" is more than just a movie — it's also a litmus test for their partner's views on feminism and patriarchy.

The movie has prompted intense social media discussion online, media outlets Sixth Tone and the China Project reported this week, prompting women to discuss their own dating experiences.

One user on the Chinese social media platform Xiaohongshu — a photo-sharing site similar to Instagram that's mostly used by Gen Z women — even shared a guide on Monday for how women can test their boyfriends based on their reaction to the film.

According to the guide, if a man shows hatred for "Barbie" and slams female directors after they leave the theatre, then this man is "stingy" and a "toxic chauvinist," according to Insider's translation of the post. Conversely, if a man understands even half of the movie's themes, "then he is likely a normal guy with normal values and stable emotions," the user wrote.

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[-] ikiru@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

Wait. Sorry, I'm trying to understand, are you saying you actually don't think patriarchy exists in the West?

I agree liberals will just be reactionary and any critique will be received in bad faith, same way if you're a Leftist and critique Democrats or Hillary Clinton then they think you're really a fascist mysogynist, but I'm not sure if that's what you meant.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ok let me give my hot take: Patriarchy doesn't exist in the same way god doesn't: It's a bullshit way to analyse the world ultimately more trouble than it's worth because it obscures instead of clarifies social relations.

That's evidenced by the theoretical drift the term has taken, from "oh it's the men" (classical definition: rule of men) to "oh no it's certain social forces and we're calling them patriarchy even if propagated by women" (feminist definition starting whatever-wave), leading to stellar analysis such as "female beauty standards are internalised misogyny" which make my head hurt, it's women saying "look how high status I am I have so much free time to care about non-survival stuff", pure female competition, men really don't give a fuck ultimately we like you best in pyjamas and bed hair. So, uncharitable take, "patriarchy exists" means "certain forces exist and I'm uncomfortable acknowledging my own participation in them so I'm deflecting". Which is why you then see takes such as "the favourite past-time of feminists is to enforce patriarchy" from people who understand academic feminism, referring to what's happening in political feminism and somehow those sides have stopped talking quite a while ago because what they're doing is fundamentally irreconcilable as what they share is equivoke terminology, not ideology. QED.

So: Throw out the terminology, re-do it from the ground up with a focus on precision and clarity and without regards for hysterical raisins.

[-] whofearsthenight@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago

Wait. Sorry, I’m trying to understand, are you saying you actually don’t think patriarchy exists in the West?

Yep, extremely dumb point they were trying to make.

same way if you’re a Leftist and critique Democrats or Hillary Clinton then they think you’re really a fascist mysogynist

Two questions:

  1. which critiques?
  2. If you don't want this country to be fascist or misogynist, how are your critiques helping?
[-] ikiru@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago
  1. which critiques?
  2. If you don't want this country to be fascist or misogynist, how > are your critiques helping?

God damn, you liberals are dumber than fascists. We're doomed.

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