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I'm not sure Biden dropping out is such a great idea. Biden has a lot of supporters among Democratic voters. I'm not sure there is another democrat with his same level of support. There were a lot of contenders for the nomination in 2020, Biden beat 'em all. I think there are a fair number of independents who are motivated by preventing a second Trump term, so they'd vote for anyone who isn't Trump. Biden meets that criteria. I get why Biden makes people nervous, but who would be better? Who has the same level of support among the diverse democratic voter base?
Did you watch the debate? I was all on board with Biden until he shit the bed. We needed someone with the stamina to stand up to Trump's gish gallop, and instead Joe finally beat Medicare.
If he is on the ballot I will vote for him, knowing that I am really voting for his advisers and staff to run the country after 8 pm. But any of the names being thrown about that have experience as Governor or in national politics will be acceptable. Harris, yes, but also Newsom, Whitmer, and any of the others. Harris would be easiest to slot in, since she is technically on the same ballot.
Do you really think any Democrat in the country would say "I liked Biden, and if they get rid of him I'm staying home?" It's more likely the opposite, that people aren't looking forward to voting for Bide and may end up staying home instead.
I mean, yeah, I kinda do. There are a lot of democratic voters who don't know who Newsom or Whitmer are, but they know Uncle Joe, the guy who was Obama's vice for eight years.
Is it? I don't know.
Like you said, if Biden's on the ticket you'll vote for him. I think a lot of people will do the same.
The problem with this argument is it only works for people who show up to vote, and if the Dems don't get people, particularly young people, inspired enough to do so, then they'll lose. Fear only works as a motivator for so long, at some point, you need to provide a carrot and not just the stick.
I know I'd vote for a cat if it was on the ticket. Even an orange one. And I'd feel better about it than voting for Biden, since I'd know nobody was lying to me about it's ability to do the job.
It would be more entertaining than sad anyway.
Why don't Biden's supporters just VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO like they tell everyone else to?
Right? All of the sudden Democrats are really concerned about who the Dem candidate is, even though I thought that didn't matter.
I don't think you're taking into account the dynamics of Biden's situation here. He no longer has the support he once had. Almost anyone would do at least as well as Biden is doing now. And it'll only get worse for him.
The Democrats need to switch to a contested convention as fast as possible. Other hopefuls need to start talking as though Biden is already out, and make their case for the nomination.
I think it's the exact opposite. With biden or kamala trump has the best chance. Any biden supporting group who would jump over to trump or not vote if biden pulled out, I think would be minimal. Nobody is energized for biden, everyone is worried about trump.
If he did drop out for someone else, younger and able to speak clearly, I think we'd have a wave of enthusiasm. Imagine another debate with trump and a younger well spoke replacement, trump would be trounced.
Bring in any of the potentials mentioned (except kamala, I can't stress this enough), and I'd feel way more excited for the election. It ain't gonna happen now, but just saying. With biden staying in people are righteously nervous.
Campaign finance laws ensure it can't be anybody but Harris. If Harris can't win an election against Trump, yet Biden might, we have to vote Biden for a Kamala presidency.
The problem is (for me at least) he's recently shown he can't campaign like he did in 2020, and he needs to surpass that effort right now.
My response to that would be that in 2020 he had the weakest campaign and still had the majority of voters rally behind him.
The person with the second most support in the party is just as old and is continuing to endorse Biden.
Anybody but Harris at the top of the ticket as a replacement means whoever gets the nomination will have a billion dollar deficit in running against Trump, meaning they have no shot at winning (seeing that they would be running against the only person in modern history who has won an election despite raising less money).
If Biden's mind is as bad as we think it is, Kamala has been acting as president. She's been a fairly good president, all things considered.
If Biden can't win this, nobody in the roster can.
At this point, I think there's an argument that Biden stepping aside as the candidate and endorsing Harris is the best play. Not because I think it's a good idea, but because Biden is simply not performing as a winning candidate right now. Even with the onslaught of bullshit from the press, trolls, and conservatives I can't justify his lack of urgency and getting in front of cameras. I desperately want SOTU Biden to show up at his press conference tomorrow, I just don't have a ton of confidence he will anymore. That guy CAN win.
Anyone that genuinely likes Biden will absolutely vote "blue no matter who" (unless by some miracle it was an actual leftist maybe).