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Biden introduces Zelenskiy as ‘President Putin’ at Nato summit
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People aren't going to vote for Trump over Biden, they are just going to sit out. America doesn't have mandatory voting.
If those people are fine with Trump being president, then that's on them. Sitting out instead of voting against Trump is helping Trump win.
You can blame them if you want, but the original push is from Biden and the DNC's failures and support for genocide.
The point is, Biden is tanking, so swapping him is better. Defending Biden hurts DNC chances.
The same genocide that Trump supports, likely more than Biden?
If the genocide in Palestine was someone's single issue, they'd be pretty disappointed if Trump were making decisions about the Palestine...
People aren't voting for Trump, they just won't for Biden. America isn't a mandatory voter country, so actively contributing to genocide hurts the DNC's chances by disengaging voters, not by flipping them to Trump.
Not voting for Biden helps Trump win
Replacing Biden helps Trump lose.
That isn't guaranteed. And the voters don't really have any control over that.
True. They could replace Biden with Clinton.
The voters lack of control is the main reason we are in this mess. Only 14m people chose Biden in the primary.
I agree with you there.
I'm also (obviously) against the genocide.
I just think Trump would be worse in every way, including regarding the genocide (and other potential future genocides and/or wars).
Not Trump should be President. That doesn't necessarily mean Biden.
Not voting for Trump helps Biden win then.
Yes, if voters who vote Republican or flip between Republican/Democrat decide not to vote for Trump, then that would help Biden win.
Ok, but independents who don't vote for either are not helping either.
Or are they helping both?
Actually, I've read that voter apathy tends to help Right-wing parties. If that's true and accurate, then independents who don't vote for either would be helping Trump.
Yep, so the DNC should replace Biden and appeal more to their voters.
Maybe it'd appeal more to you. But they've likely done their research and figured that they'd lose more votes from swapping him out.
They could be right or wrong, but they're not making these decisions blindly.
Then this is their tactical choice to sacrifice voters that would vote for the DNC if he was swapped out, and the blame lies on the DNC, not the voters.
No, because the voters still have a choice to vote.
There's no guarantee that swapping candidates would get them more net votes.
There's a guarantee that Democrat or flip voters who abstain from voting for Biden are helping Trump win.
Why are they abstaining?
Because they're okay with convicted felon Donald Trump becoming the president of the USA again, lol
Are they? Is that why they are abstaining? Does that mean every third party and non-voter is okay with Trump?
If their vote matters (based on previous elections), then yes.
They're either okay with it, or they're ignorant.
So then the DNC is to blame, cool, we are in agreement.
"Excuse excuse excuse, I feel bad voting for Biden so I won't"
Very inspiring. What other emotions do you have trouble dealing with?
Did I say I wasn't voting for Biden? It's like you want him to lose.