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After seeing the photoshoot Trump got from this I hope Europe can pull our collective shit together once Trump pulls the US out of NATO and stops helping Ukraine.
The US is NATO. They just use you to stage airplanes somewhere your family will die instead of mine.
Nah, the US is the largest part of NATO but every member contributes and it's more like the only reason Russia hasn't done a "special military operation" here.
The US military is bigger than every other military combined, unless things have changed in the last few years.
We build bases and share planes and tech, they let us and save on defense. Our defense strategies involve using NATO bases to fuck up opposing belligerents.
Not really, NATO as an organizational is made of of the military and equipment of all members. Also NATO and US bases are different, if the US pulls out it's not taking NATO bases with it. Also I'm pretty sure the US doesn't use NATO bases for its military operations but their own bases but I'm too lazy to look that up. Also also NATO countries defence strategy has been more like "If you attack one member you attack everyone" so no one really has.
If you attack a NATO member, the largest military in the world responds. The US has multiple of the largest air forces if you count our military services separately. I would assume Trump pulling us from NATO would affect our forward bases, but we may do better than brexit I guess. I just don't see it as likely. But, my point is that our independent and joint military ventures frees up nations with smaller GDPs to focus less on their own defense (even if they contribute more as a percentage) and it's a situation the US military likes.
I'm not so sure it would. Like, yea, the US has enough military to take on like the other top 5 militaries in the world and win but NATO doesn't really need that. It's mostly about defence and the only country currently invading countries in Europe is Russia which can't seem to beat Ukraine alone. The biggest issue if the US pulls out is supporting Ukraine but defensively NATO is fine without the US I think.
NATO has nuclear second strike capabilities globally even without the US and that's enough against overt military threats.
We need to get better at this hybrid war bullshit bc that's exactly what the US is falling to right now.
Speaking of which we better build a shit-ton of those refueling planes when we get kicked out of Europe in the next 10 years. If we’re not there to protect, we’re just shitty renter that prop up the sex trade.