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Sell us on your favorite exotic/niche distro
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Artix Linux. Basically Arch without systemd. It has four options for alternative init systems, so you get to see how it compared to systemd (ultimately it shows how a more minimal init approach is all you need in place of systemd, and where systemd has stepped outside of init into what should be part of the OS space, like elogind, etc.)
The Artix team have done an amazing job of writing various init scripts to keep the distro comparable with Arch, have written alternatives to systemd modules, like replacing elogind with their own implementation, seatd, and IMHO is the defacto standard for how you implement a non systemd distro.
Working without systemd, even if you like it from a sys admin standpoint, teaches you what you lose without systemd, which for the average user isn't much. I game, code, administer web servers, etc., all without missing a beat on Artix Linux, and it honestly has taught me so much about Linux after I switched from Arch.
I would consider jumping to Gentoo or Void out of curiosity, but Artix is where I'll be staying for the foreseeable future.
I've been kinda curious about Artix. I wouldn't say I hate systemd, but I've been minorly annoyed by it and might want something more minimal.
What is the software situation like? The AUR probably doesn't work reliably, right?
Yeah I'm someone who thinks systemd is pretty good, but I still avoid it on personal machines just because I think it's level of market penetration creates a dangerous monoculture.
+1. systemd is something the Linux ecosystem really needs, but its execution is abysmal. We should be designing around standards so the best product can win. We should not be designing around singular implementations that could make it easy for Red Hat to execute a EEE strategy to consolidate Linux on the workstation.
I can't wait till a crowdstrike-like flaw is exposed in systemd so we can all see how terrible^W wonderful monocultures can be.
Like Linux?
I'm not sure what you mean when suggesting Linux is a singular implementation around which features are exclusively designed. There's all kinds of software that runs on all kinds of different OSes. Userspace applications, for example, can take advantage of POSIX compatibility to ensure that they run on all platforms (Linux, BSDs, even Windows).
Does systemd have any similar sort of compatibility guarantee? Can I run systemd-whateverd on BSD? Can I run systemd itself on BSD? I'm pretty sure most other init systems support at least one other OS if not more. Would the maintainers even support merging patches that do this? What about musl?
This kind of happened with the
xzhack already. I didn't look into it heavily, so this is anecdotal, but accordingly thexzhack relied on systemd to execute the backdoor, so if you didn't have systemd on your machine, the backdoor was essentially inert.That's not at all the conclusion you should draw. xz was linked into systemd but that was just a convenient target. Once xz was compromised it could have targeted literally anything that loaded it. Your only real defence would have been not to install it at all.
I use the AUR all the time, the only thing I have to do is look for systemd as a dependency and avoid that.
The Artix team generally provides init scripts for commonly used packages that rely on init. So for example, if you want to install openvpn, you'd have to install it alongside its script so:
Installs the runit init script. It does let you know that (for runit) to initialize it you have to create a soft link to the service directory so after installation:
And then initialize using runit's service manager,
sv:Anyways, that's just one instance. I have only had one issue where I had to heavily troubleshoot for an obscure piece of software that relied on systemd as a dependency and there wasn't any alternative...so I simply modified the source code, recompiled the binary and did it myself. But I've been using Artix for nearly 5 years and that is one out of thousands of packages.
Oh okay, that actually doesn't sound too bad. I'll definitely consider it for my next install.