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Democrats worry their most loyal voters won’t turn out for Biden in 2024
(www.washingtonpost.com)
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Until we do away with FPTP voting, you're essentially throwing your vote away if you don't vote Democrat or Republican.
wrong. a party only needs to achieve 5% popular vote to get federal funding next election cycle. everyone should vote for who they actually want.
Demonstratebly false considering enough votes for a third party gets them on the debate stage which gets them more voters and lets the rest of America know that actually have a choice.
Considering the fact that the US did start out with lots of candidates in each presidential election, and then naturally became a two party system from there, it doesn’t seem like “knowing they have a choice” is the problem. Rather, it is the FPTP system itself (which models and studies show trends towards a two-party system and stabilizes there)
this is ahistorical nonsense.
What are you talking about?
how many parties were there in 1776? 1800? 1900? you are just so wrong you can't even cite facts.
which will never happen, making your first argument demonstrably true.
the trend is toward libertarians and greens being in the running next cycle, so no one should believe this person.
Libertarians and greens will never win the general election with the way our electoral system is set up.
you can't know that
But I somehow do. Must be magic.
that's the only explanation. no one knows the future.
I've heard that one before, but if more people voted for their best interest instead of being feared and shamed into voting for a compromise then that wouldn't be true. Be the change you wanna see my friend, if you can't do it no one will. It's not my fault the system is broken, and I'm allowed to vote for my best interest. If you dislike that my vote is not as impactful to you maybe you should do something to change the system because im satisfied voting 3rd party until the cows come home, because it will never be a viable choice if people continue to not vote third party.
A lot of you are acting like lesser evilism isn't exactly how we ended up choosing between a fascist and someone who's too afraid to fight fascism. You think you're gonna 'leaser evil' you're way out of the problem that it caused?
Throwing away your vote and enabling a potential dictator is the opposite of being the change you want to see. It's enabling the change you don't want
A key part of that philosophy is efficacy of action
The only thing that enables Trump is people who vote for him and the media that give him free press 24/7 for everything he does. He's not even the incumbent wouldn't I be enbaling Biden with a third party vote? Or is it Im always enabling whoever you think is worse if I vote third party? Your logic doesn't hold up. Either I'm enabling them both or neither. Because I'm not voting for either of them. All you have is the parroted arguemnts that can't survive a simple logic test.
At the end of the day, you are required to either eat a shit sandwich or a stale chocolate chip cookie. You can eat a peanut butter cookie that isn't stale, but at the end of the day if you haven't chosen between the only 2 actual choices, then someone else is going to decide for you, and there's a very good chance that you're going to end up with a mouth full of shit. "But I chose the peanut butter cookie!" Yeah, well why is your mouth full of shit?
"simple logic test" lol
It's fine man the world can do without you being a smart person
Tell me how it's enabling Trump if Biden is the incumbent? How come a third party vote always enables whoever you think is scarier no matter whos in office or if there is no incumbent? Because its not based on logic it's based on fear. You've yet to use anything that resembles logic and instead go to name calling because you have no arguement at this point.
Idk why you think not voting helps the incumbent specifically, but that's wrong
You're welcome to stand by your ideals, but FPTP will always boil down to a two-party system. If voting for a third party makes you feel better, go for it, but that's all that it will accomplish.
Voting third party demonstrably does not change the system, at least in the US. Correct me if I'm wrong but I can't think of any voter reform legislation that's been actually advanced by third parties. Just one example, ranked Choice Voting in Maine wasn't caused by third party candidates in office, it was a ballot initiative. And not to simp for corporate scumbags, but least the Democrats support the Voting Rights Act and oppose closing voting stations in black neighborhoods.
Voting for a compromise is voting for one's best interest for a lot of people. If the options are vote for harm, vote for harm reduction, or vote for someone who will not win, at least the people I know in marginalized communities vote for harm reduction. Because for a lot of them, the consequence of a conservative government is immediate real threats to their safety.
Marginalized voters not showing up for Biden is exactly what this article is about, don't use them as propaganda for your own beliefs about voting.
You're clinging to a pipe dream. People like you are how we end up with Trump.