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Joe Biden ends re-election campaign
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It’s a bit naive to think Western Europe hasn’t been under attack from the right wing at least as long as the US has. They’ve had wars over it that never really reached US shores, and it never really went away. All of the strategies that have been used in the US were piloted and honed in Europe – look up the activities there by Manafort, Stone, Bannon, etc. all the same names who have been implementing the shit you’re seeing in the US were active in Western and Eastern Europe years before this. It’s been going on there far longer.
It’s amazing to me that people in the US haven’t been paying attention to what’s gone on there and learning from their successes.
I never said that, and I’m confused how you got that from my comment.
In fact, if you look through my history, you’ll see I’ve said if the US goes fascist, that will be a huge problem for the whole world.
I’m not downplaying the threat at all – quite the opposite. We’re on the same side, and I’m not sure why you’re attacking me here.
I'm tired of people making light of this, I'm tired of people being passive about this, there is only one way that considering Biden stepping down literally weeks before the election, and that is everyone, not just Americans, clearing the discussion space for people who seriously desire and possess the ability to prevent trump from being elected. Yet EVERY SINGLE online space is carpet bombed with bots and human forum manipulators who are ALLOWED to exist because they hide in the memes and the jokes, being able to muddy the discussion and break morale all under the guise of 'it's a prank bro' so they are immune to being called out. It's already been well established that Lemmy mods are just as careless and agenda driven as the reddit mods we fled here to escape, so we can't count on THEM clearing the conversation. It has to be the users, by:
But this will never happen, because the users have 'the right to play', and their discourse of subtle anti-Harris 'humor' will spread like cancer, just like the anti-Hillary meme machine of 2016, and every mod and their mother will fight for those shitheads rights to slide us further and further into fucking fascism.
Hey man, so am I. We’re on the same page. I’ve spent the last 10 years trying to get people to take this threat seriously. That’s why I bring up what’s happened in Europe and how the far right has been piloting their ideas there. They’ve been planning this and working out the details for decades, but they’ve also lost during some of that. My point is maybe we can look at those losses and learn some things.
Many people in the US are totally unaware of that history and haven’t seen where they’ve been stomped back down. I’m saying we can look at their losses and learn something. Chest-thumping does nothing. We should be learning.
They’ve got an advantage because whilst most democratic leaders have been trying to govern and deal with crises, they’ve been systematically testing the fences. Like velociraptors, they’ll eat everyone’s faces at the first opportunity.
You’re right – we can’t make light of this or be passive. I’ve been trying to figure out how we can collectively resist for a decade. I didn’t want Biden to step down *because the threat is so dire, I thought the antifascist coalition needed the incumbent advantage (I now think I was wrong, and the timing was perfect, putting the fascists on their back foot with very little time to turn the their titanic campaign), and even though I don’t personally like Biden, I never said that because we can’t be divided and he was better than the Nazis on the porch. But now he has and this is where we are.
I’ve been downvoted for years for saying the things you’re saying – again, I don’t get why you’re angry at me. I’ve tried to get people to see the real state of things, and I’ll not stop doing that. All I can do now is convince people to vote, because that’s the only play we have left, but I’d like even more for people to understand the real threat. And I still don’t get why you seem angry at me when we’re on the same side.
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Ah yes, Europe never had to deal with such far right-wingers. We'd like borrow the term you guys came up with to describe them in case we ever face such violent fascists. What was it again?
Oh right, Nazis.
Those were mostly dead before you were born and you have likely never personally suffered at the hands of right wing violence.
My niece had her hand broken by a rancid nazi flag waving trumpfucker for having the gall to stand up for trans rights, but I'm sure the old-timey pro-nationalist graffiti you've have occasionally been forced to observe was just as harmful.
There are literal hard right militias training with military grade equipment on our own soil RIGHT NOW, and it is likely that most of the police force will join them.
No one you know or love is at threat more than my own family right now and I will NOT sit by quiet while greasestains like you try and marginalize this.
Not that I don't agree with you, but do you really think the elderly edgelord forum warrior shtick is the best play? Taking a point from your own posts, is it really a good idea to post content online that might alienate potential allies? Food for thought.
If people are going to choose fascism because they were annoyed by an angry person on the internet, then this world deserves to fucking burn away to ash.
Not choose right but who the fuck would want to unite on the same side with you is a bit questionable. This "you don't know shit" attitude is why there is the right and then a hundred other lefts. Alright man you have seen the worst of everything, our understanding of fascism is but a speck of dust next to yours and American fascists would beat Hitler with their two hands tied. There happy?
and you need to re-read mine and stop re-iterating the same argument to everyone as a validification for your behaviour. No one sane person will choose fascism but still the fascists will pick off smaller groups of opposers one by one who could not unite because they thought they knew how to be anti fascists better than others (hint that is you). Anti oppression/fascist groups not being able unite because of ideological differences and holier-than-thou attitudes is a pretty common occurrence in history.
Thanks for saying this.
In the late 70s, the Shah of Iran was a posterchild for authoritarianist shitheads. Everyone wanted him gone, from the religious Right to the academic Left and everything in between. A crowd of liberals, professors, businessmen, reactionaries, and mullahs all united to send the Shah packing. When it was all said and done, Iran had an opportunity to form a Muslim Democracy and join the world as a rising star.
Then the Left started arguing with itself. There were the Communists who wanted Glorious Revolution, and the Academics who just wanted a sane system of government, and the moderates who wanted only a LITTLE bit more socialist support for the underserved, and each of those factions split into sub-factions over some little petty policy difference or another. And while they were fighting, the Religious Right came together, unified in the belief that Gawd Himself was on their side, and promptly took over government.
Iran went from a secular dictatorship to a religious dictatorship while the Left argued.
France has shown us that that doesn't have to happen, by unifying in voting against the Right and settling on one candidate for each district and not letting little distractions get in the way. Unfortunately, despite this win, it shows us that the more things change, the more they stay the same and the various factions of the Left that are unwilling to compromise a single tiny bit and are willing to burn down the house if they don't get exactly what they want, which might just cause the fall of the coalition that defeated the Hard Right in France and another risk of the rise of a Fascist government. Let's be like France before the election, and not like France after, if we possibly can?!
Fuck your abelism
Please stop
Now who's being defeatist?
People who have a reasonable grasp of history and a low opinion of humanity in general?
And I suppose you're the only one of those around, right? So why tear into people about the state of the US if, by your own admission, it's probably a lost cause? There have to be better ways for you to kill time until the end.
I'm hoping to build a good visibly angry and progressive online profile so when the fascists take over and use AI to scrape social media histories, that my ident's affinity is high enough for them to send the death squads to me early. I'm so fucking tired of every ounce, inch, and erg of the last decade.
Well, that's certainly a unique approach to dealing with a national crisis. Carry on.
Thank ye lordship for your permission to be the person I have been from birth. I can now go on safe in the fact that some internet rando approves of my elaborate an hero arrangement. It is a wonder that I had been able to consider such at all without your magnanimous blessing.
I had intended the 'Carry on' as a sort of friendly valediction, but this was a fun bonus.
I am a master at taking anything in a negative light, the shittiest super power on the planet.