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And no, I can't simply stop using or ask friends to move to an alternative. I'm from Brazil and that thing is so popular and mainstream, that even stores or public services use it.
Just this week, I had to report an animal abuse case to the authorities, and the official communication channel I had to use was through whatsapp.
It's sad to see how dependent of a single proprietary service for something so important we allowed ourselves to become...
You can use a FOSS app at your end to chat with WhatsApp users, if this isn't something you're already aware of. Element.io plus a bridge. Beeper.com is a turnkey platform that sorts it all out for you.
It doesn't help replace WhatsApp as a platform, but perhaps it would suit you?
I have been looking at this possibility, but running a bridge means that I will need to self host a service, which adds one more point of failure, while not really removing whatsapp from my life, so I'm not convinced it's a good alternative.
That's what beeper.com does. It's also open source, but they handle running it for you.
But absolutely I agree that it doesn't remove WhatsApp from your life, and that's a pain point for me also when I'm working with services in Asia, who like Brasil predominantly work from WhatsApp.
If you don't like Beeper, you could try these guys who host a managed solution (means you don't have to deal with any issues), and let's you offer the service to others:
https://etke.cc/
Hey. How have I just found out about this?! Mind blown. Thank you so much for sharing! Franz and such just weren't cutting it for me...this looks amazing.
In that case, won't the server have access to my credentials?
No it won't have your credentials, but you will authorise the bridge as a device, like you would with the web app.
Ah, I see. But in that case, won't the server have access to my messages in plain text?
Yes and no. No, in that the bridge code is published, and it takes no action other than re-encrypting your message with the destination auth. But you have to trust that server. If you don't trust the server, then you can run your own. Running your own Matrix server isn't all that hard; I've done it before and there's an Ansible playbook which does all the heavy lifting for you. But these days I prefer someone to run it for me.
How often do bridges to proprietary services break though?
I used to run bitlbee to use many chats in my irc ckient like 10-15years ago, and I remember things like google chat plugin breaking at least every month.
I last ran it myself a couple of years ago, and it was fine. These days I'm using Beeper, and I haven't had any dropouts as an end user. If there are issues, they're dealing with it not me.
Likewise from Brazil and likewise would rather see whatsapp gone from my devices. Sadly, I still need it for work and other official matters. Still, I'm slowly but surely abandoning whatsapp, by either convincing people I talk to to migrate to other, less anti-consumer services, migrating myself to sister groups or alternatives in other services, and/or abandoning a group or chat altogether. And all the while being vocal about it by raising my concerns about whatsapp (just saying "I don't like it and you should move too" can be pretty counter-intuitive with our countrymen). Hopefully, this way, I can drop it altogether once it becomes clearly irrelevant.
But this reminds me I haven't deleted/left any chats for a few days, so I'll take the opportunity to do just that.
But what do you do when services and institutions in general require you to use whatsapp? That's what is mostly keeping me from deleting that app.
Well on the bright side, you helped an animal and that is awesome! Yall brazillians in general are pretty awesome peoples.
Someone hasn't watched many gore videos
I second this . It’s really frustrating having 5 or more different messaging apps
I can confirm, sort of. I'm not from there nor have I been to Brazil specifically but I've been to South American and Asian countries where it's nearly as ubiquitous as using native calls and texting in the US.
@fulano Oh my, that's terrible! At least they should give another option to communicate!
Sometimes they do, but then they will take much more time to give you a response.
Sometimes, they simply don't have n alternative, like my city's local service for reporting broken streetlights.
The web client on desktop is not terrible. Not great, but not terrible.
Honestly the current windows desktop app is fairly decent, it’s what makes it bearable to use for me.